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[mightymouse_69]

Conniff,

 

You are correct - There is only one Admiralty Court now. It has limited jurisdiction and as you say, the last time it sat was in 1914.

 

However, Admiralty jurisdiction is now assumed by the High Court, which has an admiralty division.

[peace2k]

like the vatican aint a place of love and compassion, so the high court aint a place of justice, it's a place of business. the amount of money that flows through that place is astounding.

[gwc1000]

everyone now believes they're a corporation (person) .

No that's untue.

Everyone? How do you know what everyone believes? How many people have you asked? How can you ask anybody the question whilst you haven't even bothered to research what the word "person" means?

I believe the friends you hang around court with to cause disruption believe they are a corporation, but they would wouldn't they? They've fallen down the same rabbit hole as yourself.

So don't come on this forum and tell us what everyone believes.

[gwc1000]

the amount of money that flows through that place is astounding.

Great, so you have managed to obtain the figures. Good.

Post them up for us.

[peace2k]

i've asked hundreds of people what they think a person is and they all say that they and me are persons. i say i'm a human being. i tell them that a person is like a bank account set up in their name with their birth cert. i must sound quite convincing as it often doesnt surprise them.

 

i met a truly freewoman on the land. unfortunately she didnt like not having a birth cert or passport. the system has somehow removed them from her. i'll try to get to the bottom of it.

[peace2k]

Great, so you have managed to obtain the figures. Good.

Post them up for us.

 

i saw plenty in the fees office and the amount of people in the building and some highly paid.

 

the average prisoner costs £25k/year. thank goodness the new gov say they want to reduce it. i'm surprised to say i agree with ken 'bilderberg steering group' clarke. i shouldnt judge but i wonder what the real motives are. is that less jailed for council tax non-payment and other victimless crimes or less violent crooks?

[gwc1000]

i've asked hundreds of people what they think a person is and they all say that they and me are persons. i say i'm a human being. i tell them that a person is like a bank account set up in their name with their birth cert. i must sound quite convincing as it often doesnt surprise them.

Yes.. .. I'm sure they smile and nod in agreement don't they peace? Do they hold their kids hands tightly then look at their watch with horror and say "Is that the time ...."

 

So now "everyone" is hundreds.

 

peace you make this up as you go along.

I believe nothing you say.

[peace2k]

these people are my friends and people i often talk with for some time whilst going about my lawful business. including quite a few cops. most only want to keep the peace. they dont want to be enforcing policy.

[gwc1000]

Sorry, peace you're becoming quite boring now.

Your inability to debate any theory put forward by yourself or back anything up at all and you total avoidance of answering any questions suggests to me that you have a very limited knowledge of fotl, and dare I say I know much more about it than you do.

[Conniff]

these people are my friends and people i often talk with for some time whilst going about my lawful business. including quite a few cops. most only want to keep the peace. they dont want to be enforcing policy.

 

No they don't, they just want to humour you and then scurry away as fast as they can, if you have any friends that is, then again I would suspect you have many as the sleepin space under the rail arches is at a premium.

 

Are you duty tomorrow at Gatwick giving away flowers? If so, don't try me or my boot will connect with your gonads.

[gwc1000]

 

Are you duty tomorrow at Gatwick giving away flowers? If so, don't try me or my boot will connect with your gonads.

 

peace 2K's gonads do not consent to a contract with Conniff's boot.

 

However, Conniff's boot does consent to a contact with peace2K's gonads.

[peace2k]

oh dear, it's descended into childish insults again. and you're right it's pretty boring. i'll try to answer some of the previous points. then i'll have to bow out as little to nothing is being achieved.

 

keep flying, consuming and conforming. it's your duty and it's really helping everyone live a happier life. keep paying those taxes, the gov really need them so they help people especially the kids. it's for the kids, not the banks, definitely not the banks, anything but the banks.

 

this system is so precarious because it's built on lies. we're on a knife edge and which ever way you look you could fall off at any time. pride comes before a fall. are you proud of yourselves?

[Conniff]

There has never been anything to achieve and of course it has returned to childish insults, it is the most stupid and childish con trick to have been pulled in years. You are not all there if you believe in this rubbish, but then I don't think you do believe in it, your just one of the minions who hope to make a profit by preying on the vunerable.

[peace2k]

just so you know what sort of man the judge griffith williams is.

 

a child abuser, craig sweeney, who was released early after assaulting another child, went on to kidnap, sexually assault a 3 yr old girl and nearly killed he in a car crash. he was sentanced to life with a minimum of 5 years.

 

chambers, a 17 yr old who killed a father confronting a gang, was given a minimum 2 years.

 

i dont think prison works, but where you've got that system and people who are a danger to others, shouldnt it be used to keep them off the streets? if i defrauded, stole or printed a few thousand pounds i'd probably get longer.

 

judges are notoriously lenient on sex crimes and violence. is it because there's relatively few of these people and they're needed on the streets to keep people scared enough so they'll accept all sorts of measures to 'keep them safe'?

[peace2k]

i dont trust fiat money. i see it as less than worthless debt-notes. i dont really want to work for money, although i'm happy to work for something of real value. it often doesnt feel right exchanging it for things of value. and i often tell people 'thanks for giving me this thing of value for some worthless debt notes or monopoly money'. they seem happy, ignorance is bliss i suppose. many people know the money has no value but they continue to slave for it. they see no other options.

[gwc1000]

i'll try to answer some of the previous points. then i'll have to bow out as little to nothing is being achieved.

Well try, then.

You claim you are going to answer points and then go and make three more posts that have nothing to do with those points. You're floundering because you don't have the knowledge and cannot answer. Your ramblings are not making you appear more clever, it is having the opposite effect.

 

So let's start with an easy one, if you need time to go and ask one of your elders what to type that's fine.

 

Why in your opinion is a criminal court an admiralty court?

 

Please don't answer with references to child abuse, fiat currency, prisons, conformity, or slaves, just address that particular question.

[danielr]

pride comes before a fall. are you proud of yourselves?

yes, I'm immensely proud that i work each day. and paid Taxes on the money earned and have done since I was 16. (not that I would look down on anyone who hadn't through no fault of their own).

 

I'm immensely proud to have contributed to the system that made me.

 

after all it was the school system that I attended that taught me to read and write, and express my views, it was the school system that made me who I am today, it was the health system that cured me when I was sick and the dental system that gave me check ups and looked after my teeth, it was the police who kept me safe at nights. it's the system that give my grandparents money now that they've retired to enable them to live, and it's the system that make the roads I use everyday to get to work. it's the system, all the system, and if you ask me it's doing a pretty bloody good job, I am proud to be a part of a system that has done so much for me, and does so much for other people.

 

and I don't understand why you are not.

[danielr]

I'll dig some stuff out and post it up later.

Much of it stems from the old birth certificate again.

FOTL believe when you register a birth you give ownership of the child to the state. (The state owns your child which is why they are able to steal it!) They believe "person" in law is not themselves but they have a person, a corporate person (legal fiction) which is the birth certificate. The human represents the person (fiction) in commerce. All court action is directed towards the person (legal fiction) not the human. When you appear in court the court is prosecuting the "person" (strawman) and not the human. And er, I'm almost too embarrased to type this.... they believe tptb trick us into admiralty because "birth" and "berth" (as in berth in nautical terms) really are the same thing, so when you appear in court you are berthing in the dock (dock, get it?)

 

I've heard that theory about birth certificates, people reckoning that when you register a birth that you're giving permission for the state to take away your child, you're signing them over to the state.

 

and yes, someone may have been stupid enough one day to confused birth and berth as the same word,

 

but it still doesn't explain why it matters whether courts are admiralty or not. or why anyone should care...

 

I was expecting the answer to come back that admiralty courts can only deal with boats, and so people/persons/human/legal fictions whatever you want to call it can't be tried in a court.

 

but it seems it's just a name, and has no bearing on the function, so it's literally just a conspiracy theory then? that has no legal bearing, and no actual substance.

 

just one thing to mention, in the bit earlier there words were listed off and it was pointed out how simillar some words are like the dock in port, and birth and berth, and how you have a legal document called a passport...

 

the passport one really isn't a conspiracy, it's a pass, that enables you to travel through ports.

 

i met a truly freewoman on the land. unfortunately she didnt like not having a birth cert or passport. the system has somehow removed them from her. i'll try to get to the bottom of it.

isn't this exactly what you wished for? with no documentation or supposed birth/berth certificate or bond? but you can see how not having it is a massive problem?

[danielr]

i will honour your words with a fuller reply later.

 

however, i'm rather tired as i've been working at the high court today.

 

hollie greig & co were in the family court and we were outside to support them.

standing outside of a court pretending that you have even the faintest idea about the law isn't working.

 

a few quick points:

nobody forces anyone to work.

i dont trust the system so i dont want to contribute to it through income tax and national insurance.

i do contribute in plenty of other ways. i always try to help people and brighten their day. i cycle most places so that helps everyone. i campaign for various issues in the belief that it is helping people. i could go on but it's rather boring and pointless. i don't have to justify my existence.

You don't force me to work, you just force me to work harder.

 

as I said, I enjoy my job, and I enjoy working, lots of people in the world do actually enjoy working, practically nobody in the world enjoys paying taxes, you force my taxes to be higher because you refuse to contribute.

 

you cause me harm.

 

I'll say it again, YOU CAUSE ME HARM.

 

how do you console that about your natural law beliefs about not causing people harm?

 

you do cause me harm...

 

so what we have here is that you say that so long as you cause people no harm, you're ok, -that is in line with your common/natural/universal law?

but you free load off the state and the hard work of other people, causing all other people who do work harm. i don't believe that there is a natural law of the universe, but if there was I think that not taking advantage of other people (in any way) would be a core rule.

you don't live by natural law, because you do take advantage. you take from a welfare system designed to protect the weak.

 

you could work, you could contribute, but instead you decide to take money from a communal pot that's not meant for you. you choose to harm me and others who do work by forcing us to pay higher taxes, and you harm the weakest in society by stealing money from a system that should have been destined for them.

 

your cycling doesn't help anyone out, you cycle because you don't have a car, nor license to drive a car or motorbike. not for some greater good.

 

 

the infrastructure is overly bureaucratic and hugely inefficient. it spends it's time in fighting things rather than focussing on positive solutions. it is reactionary instead of proactive.

a positive solution would be everybody contributing towards society and the system, and whilst you're not contributing towards the system yet still expecting to take from it, I do this it's a very positive action that those who avoid tax such as yourself are chased by the system.

 

the roads are pretty bad and i wouldnt be pleased if i was paying for them.

do you not think that if you did pay your taxes that'd increase the budgets available and possibly, just possibly might lead to improvements in society?

 

if you and your other free (loading) men of the land friends paid your taxes, perhaps the roads wouldn't be so bad

 

we live in relative luxury because so many live in poverty. ask yourself how much the people who made your stuff got paid? then ask yourself who the real slaves are.

you live in luxury because you refuse to work and constantly only take, as I said before you force the rest of us to be slaves.

 

I agree with what you are saying though, but that's a completely different system to what you talk about.

the idea of every man from his means and every man to his means is Marxist ideology, (which I happen to agree with -but that's a completely different discussion).

but your ideals about not paying taxes, if anything reduce the aid budgets that can be given to other countries.

by refusing to contribute to the system you hurt people on a national scale who have to work harder to support you, and you hurt the poorest on an international scale as there is less wealth to send to other countries.

 

even if you did believe in Marxist ideology, and you intended to live by it, you've failed at the first hurdle.

 

the kind of communal society that you're hoping can exist if only we overthrow the current powers can only ever be achieved if you really believe in everyone to their means and everyone from their means.

 

in a nut shell it basically means that if you're fit and strong you should go out an work, you should provide from your means. if you're sick and unable then you should receive help to survive, every man to his means.

 

Sadly in this country although we have state socialism in the form of welfare and healthcare, then people such as yourself abuse this with your always taking (possibly beyond your means) -i.e you take more than you even need. and your never giving to your own means at all.

 

 

further to that EVEN IF you wanted to abolish the current system of law, you're not going to do that by just making up new laws, bending the truth about existing laws and generating conspiracy theories about how governments print our hidden birth certificates on expensive paper.

[gwc1000]

danielr wrote:

 

 

I was expecting the answer to come back that admiralty courts can only deal with boats, and so people/persons/human/legal fictions whatever you want to call it can't be tried in a court.

 

Actually you are correct. FOTL believe when their vessel (their body) enters a court if they don't step into the dock (wet) their vessel remains on dry land and the court has no jurisdiction. They believe we are tricked into stepping off dry land into the sea and then the judges (captains of the ship) can exercise their authority over you.

 

 

Don't forget this peace2K

 

Why in your opinion is a criminal court an admiralty court?

[danielr]

peace, what I don't understand is, the topic of this thread is about de registering a motor vehicle but you have not contributed anything on topic to this thread.

To be fair it's not only him that's taking the thread off topic.

[danielr]

i dont trust fiat money. i see it as less than worthless debt-notes. i dont really want to work for money, although i'm happy to work for something of real value. it often doesnt feel right exchanging it for things of value. and i often tell people 'thanks for giving me this thing of value for some worthless debt notes or monopoly money'. they seem happy, ignorance is bliss i suppose. many people know the money has no value but they continue to slave for it. they see no other options.

Again the idea that it's actually insulting to be paid in tokens for a days work is a Marxist theory.

 

in some ways you are of course right, the idea that you should work for a day to only be furnished with bits of paper for your efforts.

 

but the fact is that currency was invented for the reason that it's difficult to carry a few tons of metal and a million potatoes that I might want to trade with a skilled craftsman when I need to buy a car.

 

The currency is a promissory note that you carry and exchange for goods and services. (it even says as much on the paper money).

[danielr]

Actually you are correct. FOTL believe when their vessel (their body) enters a court if they don't step into the dock (wet) their vessel remains on dry land and the court has no jurisdiction. They believe we are tricked into stepping off dry land into the sea and then the judges (captains of the ship) can exercise their authority over you.

 

 

Don't forget this peace2K

 

Why in your opinion is a criminal court an admiralty court?

I suppose in the vaguest of ways this makes sense.

 

You step into the sea and the judge who would be harbour master, puts a lien on your vessel (which is your body).

 

it makes sense in the same way that someone might pleased to be a druid and thus be except on the battle field due to ancient or universal law.

The Mayor of London v Hall & Ors [2010] EWHC 1613 (QB) (29 June 2010)

 

(in other words it makes no sense unless you want to invent a concept and then twist it about until it's unrecognisable and generate an entire made up back story to suit your means and claim it's a conspiracy so that you can get what you want).

[gwc1000]

A Freeman is offered pay his council tax or do some jail time. He chose to pay up:

 

you are correct! my local council offered my some jail time if i did not pay up. thats the reality checkpoint of it all pay up or go 2 jail. i choose to stay free and be with my family.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9NWDZx5T2A

 

 

Another example where the fotl woo fails. The problem is that they have invented their own version of law which bears no resemblance to the legal system that is in place. They will always fail, not because the judiciary are corrupt but because they are wrong. The sad thing is though, even when their mistake is pointed out to them they still believe they are right.

But, it must be understood when you get amongst them as I have been doing for the purpose of my own research, many in the movement have a history of mental health issues and indeed talk about their health problems. So to be fair many that are involved with fotl are vulnerable people.

[mightymouse_69]

just so you know what sort of man the judge griffith williams is.

 

a child abuser, craig sweeney, who was released early after assaulting another child, went on to kidnap, sexually assault a 3 yr old girl and nearly killed he in a car crash. he was sentanced to life with a minimum of 5 years.

 

chambers, a 17 yr old who killed a father confronting a gang, was given a minimum 2 years.

 

You got any references for this?

 

Also - acquaint yourself with the sentencing guidelines.