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    • Name of the Claimant ? Hoist finance UK holdings  Date of issue – 05 May 2021   Particulars of Claim  What is the claim for –  1.The Claim is for the sum of £2291 in respect of monies owing pursuant to an overdraft facility under bank account no.<redacted> 2. The debt was legally assigned by Lloyds Bank (EX LLOYDS TSB) to the Claimant and notice has been served. 3.The defendant has failed to repay overdrawn sums owing under the terms and conditions of the bank account.    4.The claimant claims The sum of £2291 Costs   What is the total value of the claim?    Account Claimed £2291 Court Fee – £105.00 Legal representation - £80   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? Yes   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? No (did inform Lloyds, not Hoist) Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Overdraft   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? after    Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In branch   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Debt purchaser has issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? No   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? No   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Started receiving communications in 2019   Why did you cease payments? Last payment was in 2014 to Lloyds. I was unable to make payments as I had just finished my studies and wasn’t working. The account was then removed from my online banking and I had no access online or in branch. The next correspondence I received was from Robinsons Way/Hoist asking for payment 2019.   In addition, I responded to Robinsons Way/Hoist requesting the CCA on 19/02/2020. Hoist then sent correspondence on 23/02/2021 that Lloyds were unable to provide this documentation and that until Hoist received further information from Lloyds, they would temporarily cease action on the account whilst Hoist “waited for a resolution”. I have not received an update since then (except for this claim).   What was the date of your last payment? 2014   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter a debt management plan? No       Starting a new thread following on from this thread.   Background:   Student account overdraft with Lloyds Last payment made was in 2014 Robinsons Way/Hoist contacted in late 2019 Asked for CCA 19th February 2020 Received communication stating they were trying to obtain CCA 23rd February 2021  Robinsons Way/Hoist said they would cease action until they obtained information from Lloyds Heard nothing from Robinsons Way/Hoist until the CCJ claim Despite the lack of relevant information from Lloyds as per the above, Robinsons Way/Hoist marked the account as defaulted on credit file 11th March 2016  No idea how they came up with this date if they don't have necessary paperwork from Lloyds   Here are the Particulars of Claim for the OD:
    • Hi BankFodder, Thank you so much for taking the time to answer to my case. I have to say I always found great pleasure on reading eloquent mind like yours. Unfortunately my english is not by far as good as yours and I think few sentences on my previous paragraph might have been misunderstood. Apologies for that. I write in a rush, between one task and another, with two children grabbing my attention all the time, but you are right I should have taken more time to read through your forum. I did read though many of the cases reported (you see I don't even put the space in between the paragraph as you suggested to help people reading on small screen) and the only reasons I stated the 3 points in my second message is to tell you what is the position they have taken. I had read already about the insurance in your forum as well as the amount declared, but I was just reporting my case to you to have a full picture. It was naive indeed saying that the value of my items were £500, my bad. But I haven't changed the value 3 times like you mentioned. I firstly declared £500 when I paid for the service and then I declared £1200 when I filed for the small claim court (and recap all the evidence in my possess), so to them I actually just change the value once. Nevertheless my only worry was the fact that I had signed a contract with them where they stated (as reported in my previous message) they won't pay more than £300. But if you say that it's anyway their negligence of having lost my parcel (and of course I agree with you!), I am happy to refuse their offer and see where this is going. The parcel is lost and with it a lot of sentimental stuff, I guess I would feel better if I knew there was a bit of a fairer judgment. Although naive, I know that my actions were and are in good faith, I am not sure I can say the same about them. P.S. I also did claim interest when file for small claim court. One more thing, if this is going to court, do I need to get myself a lawyer?   Many thanks again for your help.   Kind regards, Anturia
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I think a brief letter back explaining that they have not provided a legible agreement might be in order you might like to quote from this section - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general-debt-issues/132968-looking-cca-74-quote.html -

 

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Worried6,

 

Probably best not to reply giving them too much information, so no verbose responses citing case law yet :-D, as 42man says, illegibility will make it difficult for them to proceed if defended right.

 

If they continue with the court route then some of the stuff from the recent Manchester rulings will help you here.

 

They have no interest in anything you actually put in the letters, its just a case of trying to wear you down, either through letters or initiating court procedures.

 

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Hi Folks,

 

Thanks for the quick responses.

I'll put something simple together and stick to the illegibility point for now. I am frightened by the prospect of court proceedings and I'm afraid that I don't know what the recent Manchester Rulings are about.

I have had to deal with a few DCAs now but Apex seem quite agressive has anyone any experience of dealing with them or being taken to court by them?

 

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My only experience with Apex was one letter back in 2008. I didn't reply and they never bothered me again. After that it went to Moorcroft.

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Hi Again

 

I've had a reply from Apex making statements about their obligations under CCA 1974 which I'd appreciate guidance on.

I requested and received a poor quality application form which I queried this is their response:

"I would like to draw your attention to the date you entered into the agreement; 25th April 2003,denoting our obligation to fulfil your request under the CCA 1974 and not the terms prescribed in that of the amendments of the CCA 2006. Therefore under Section 78 relating to a regulated agreement for running account credit, the credit limit is not a requirement under (b) the amount, if any, currently payable under the agreement by the debtor to the creditor. AT the point of entereing into the agreement the amount payable would have been nil. You will find the rate of interest and repayment details in the T&Cs. For these reasons we refute your claim that the agreement is lacking any of the terms prescribed by the CCA 1974."

 

They go on to say they believe the agreement is legible and so they see no reason to up hold my claim.

 

I'd appreciate some information about this business of the date of the agreement and the CCA Regulations and how they are applied.

 

Thanks

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