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    • Hi slick!    On 22 July they said they would refund me £74.07 Theres no DD in place as my membership was a once off payment in November last year.  Hi Dx,    I paid through PayPal last year as a one off payment. 
    • I'm trying to understand it all but I certainly tend to agree with my colleague @dx100uk that it looks as if you may have been taken for a ride. You found an advertisement for a bag on an online sales site. Instead of going through the established procedure of that site, which presumably allows them to recover a commission from the seller you started dealing directly with the seller who is an unknown person to you and of course that allowed the seller to avoid paying the commission. At whose suggestion was it that you went off-site? You then pay by PayPal but instead of logging it with PayPal as a payment for a purchased item, you tell PayPal that it was actually simply a gift or transaction between friends and family. This also allowed the seller to avoid paying a PayPal fee on the money. At whose suggestion was it that you paid in this way?       I don't say that you definitely have been scammed, but it doesn't look very good. This is how it might have happened: after you agreed to take the transaction off-site, so you lost the protection of the established system – and the seller avoided the commission and also avoided the sales site knowing that they had sold their item, you then agreed to pay the seller some money – but not for a purchase – simply as a gift. This has two consequences. Firstly, the seller avoids a PayPal fee and secondly, because PayPal has been misled as to the purpose of the payment, you lose the protection of PayPal if it turns out that you've been scammed or there is some other problem with the transaction. The seller then apparently sent you the parcel and they sent you pictures of a package with your address on it. Separately they sent you a Hermes tracking number – but there is no evidence that the package was actually posted to your address. The seller might simply have taken a picture with your address and sent that to you by way of reassurance – and then changed the label and posted the parcel to themselves but sent you a tracking number which is inaccessible to you and in respect of which you will be prevented from getting any information. All you've seen is a parcel with your address on it. All you've been given is a tracking number which satisfied you for a while until the parcel did not arrive and then when you started to make enquiries, you found that you were unable to access any details referring to the tracking number. Of course the tracking number says that the item was delivered – because maybe it was – but in that case it was delivered to the address on the parcel which might have been the seller's own address – or the address of a friend. I don't want to say that this is definitely how it happened, but it is a plausible scenario. Of course Hermes is an awful lot of parcels – but on the other hand I expect that most of the parcel is that going to Hermes hands are delivered successfully. We only get the bad stories on this forum. I can imagine that Hermes rate of successful deliveries is better than 97% because otherwise people wouldn't simply just hate them, they would go out of business.   We can help you bring a complaint against Hermes if you want. However, on the basis of what you say, the odds are stacked against you but it would be useful to try and find out the address which was associated with tracking number. As far as your apparent willingness to travel hundred and 50 miles to ask for your money back, don't bother. If you did actually go there, are you sure that the seller actually lives at the address that you have been given? What evidence do you have that? Of course if you found that the seller didn't reside at that address then it is slamdunk that you have been scammed. But then what are you going to do? You can try to inform the police but of course it won't get you anywhere. You can inform the sales website – but they will say that you brought it on yourself because you agreed to go off-site. You can inform PayPal – that they will say that because you sent the money which was calculated to avoid their fees, you have lost the protection. If you travelled the 150 miles and found that the seller did reside at that address, do you really think that they are going to hand your money over to you? If they are acting dishonestly then they will simply say that it is nothing to do with them, that they addressed it all correctly and they don't understand what has happened and that this is simply Hermes up to their old tricks. What are you going to do? You simply risk getting into a very nasty argument and depending on how bad it went, you might even find that the police are called and I'm afraid that they would be looking at you – not the seller. Maybe you can answer the questions that I've post above as to who it is who initiated the various ways of doing business.    
    • The legal campaign's going well then. The recount in Wisconsin gave Trump more votes but Biden even more, at a cost of $3m. And a donor to the organisation bringing the failed cases is suing to get his $2.5m back.   https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/28/joe-biden-gains-votes-in-wisconsin-county-after-trump-ordered-recount
    • Yes Unicorn feed tax again, can't sue the keeper for more than the Original Charge, so any additional Debt Collection fees aka the £60 they add is abuse,iof process as per HHJ Harvey at Lewes county Court What lookedinfroinfo is indicating is that the main signage on entry and dotted around is merely an " Invitation to Treat", not the offer, the Offer and Acceptance occurs at the payment machine, so wording there is key.
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The story in short:

 

The college and the solicitors thought they had Fred by the short and curlies and were going to be able to wring him for a few thousand snackers. Turns out that far from it, they are themselves into a midden mess of epic proportions which is getting smellier and stickier by the day.

 

That's about the shortest and most accurate summary one can give, but it really doesn't convey the flavour. It's like saying that Shawshank Redemption is a prison movie, Slumdog Millionnaire a film set in India and that Mozart wrote quite a bit of music in his days. :-D

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Good luck Mr Shed, it's full of twists and turns.

At the moment we're waiting for the police to get back to us and after promising a copy of a statement imminently (that was about a fortnight ago) everything seems to have paused. Fred is planning on writing to the police legal department on whom everything is waiting apparently to see if we can hurry them up. One of the big mysteries is apparently the question of what happened to the caution. Was it never actually registered officially, although the police gave Fred to understand he had been officially cautioned and told PCAD he had been?

Did the caution get wiped off the system at some point and by whom? We suspect that is the question or one of them preoccupying the police.

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they are themselves into a midden mess of epic proportions which is getting smellier and stickier by the day.

 

LOL--- Bookie--- how could you associate me with those muppets in Plymouth?:D

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The story in short:

 

The college and the solicitors thought they had Fred by the short and curlies and were going to be able to wring him for a few thousand snackers. Turns out that far from it, they are themselves into a midden mess of epic proportions which is getting smellier and stickier by the day.

 

That's about the shortest and most accurate summary one can give, but it really doesn't convey the flavour. It's like saying that Shawshank Redemption is a prison movie, Slumdog Millionnaire a film set in India and that Mozart wrote quite a bit of music in his days. :-D

Don't forget the movie, Bookworm and your starring role.

"The Great Barrier Greef" starring Bookworm in the title role and supported by an all star cast of CAGs finest.

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Serves you right for going awol, Mr Shed.;)

It's a good job you're a fast reader.

 

I know!!! House move, job change etc etc - it mounts up!!!

 

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I know!!! House move, job change etc etc - it mounts up!!!

 

Page 37 :D

 

Well done you're flying along now. Does flapping your arms all the time help you to read fast? If so I'll try it.:-D

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they are themselves into a midden mess of epic proportions which is getting smellier and stickier by the day.

 

LOL--- Bookie--- how could you associate me with those muppets in Plymouth?:D

Apologies, if I had written the words I actually thought, I would have been CAGbotted from Croydon to Plymouth and back again. :-D

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Well done you're flying along now. Does flapping your arms all the time help you to read fast? If so I'll try it.:-D

 

Hit the half way point woohoo!!

 

Needless to say Patma the missus isnt happy and has gone to bed :D

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Fred has been diligently looking through the other side's court bundle and noticed that of all the insurance docs disclosed to him as per the judge's order at the Directions Hearing in July, they've included all except one in their court bundle and the one they've left out says that the incident happened in working time.

Now that's interesting because they've gone to great lengths, including making false statements under a statement of truth, to make it appear that the incident happened outside working time.

I'm not really clear why a person in an important position in the college would make false witness statements about this. Any ideas anyone?

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2 and a half hours later and...done!

 

All I can say is :eek:

 

And...that I am pleased I encouraged you to try and overturn the "conviction" originally all those months ago!!!!!

 

Will continue to follow with interest!

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they've included all except one in their court bundle and the one they've left out says that the incident happened in working time.

Now that's interesting because they've gone to great lengths, including making false statements under a statement of truth, to make it appear that the incident happened outside working time.

I'm not really clear why a person in an important position in the college would make false witness statements about this. Any ideas anyone?

 

Could it be because the barrier wasn't 'manned' (or at least no security guard was on the premises) to raise it at Fred's request? If it was working time, that would be the college being negligent, if outside working hours, presumably you park at your own risk?

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2 and a half hours later and...done!

 

All I can say is :eek:

 

 

Congratulations Mr Shed! Wasn't that worth burning the midnight oil? It's better than any John Grisham ain't it? - you couldn't make it up! :cool:

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Its one of the most disgraceful cases I've seen on here I must admit.

 

One of the few times when people cry "let the papers know" and I actually agree - has there been any press involvement to date?

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clue Mr Shed , is was there a "CAUTION !"

 

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Could it be because the barrier wasn't 'manned' (or at least no security guard was on the premises) to raise it at Fred's request? If it was working time, that would be the college being negligent, if outside working hours, presumably you park at your own risk?

 

Yes thanks folishgirl, I'm sure you're right. Come to think of it, the barrier was fitted with a free exit loop which should have automatically raised the barrier when a car pased over it, so if the barrier had been in proper working order, staff wouldn't have needed to be present either.

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2 and a half hours later and...done!

 

All I can say is :shock:

 

And...that I am pleased I encouraged you to try and overturn the "conviction" originally all those months ago!!!!!

 

Will continue to follow with interest!

 

Its one of the most disgraceful cases I've seen on here I must admit.

 

One of the few times when people cry "let the papers know" and I actually agree - has there been any press involvement to date?

Well done Mr Shed, you are a star and you were there right at the beginning and encouraged Fred to challenge the alleged caution.

None of us dreamed someone may already have mysterously wiped it from the system.

Well except for Lyons Davidson solicitors:eek:who'd already been told in 2008 by the police legal department that no trace of any caution existed.That didn't stop them from reminding Fred he'd been cautioned though and then getting it entered on their POC to use against him, naughty naughty!:eek::eek:

Now we wait for crumbs of information from the police while they try to investigate.

About the papers we're working on it and would welcome press involvement. Anyone know any journalists?

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I sincerely hope that the CPS prosecute the individuals concerned, once it gets to that point.

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I sincerely hope that the CPS prosecute the individuals concerned, once it gets to that point.

 

We won't let it rest if anyone tries to brush things under the carpet.

There is stuff we can't seem to find out too which maybe a good investigative journalist could dig out.

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Patma - don't go public too early. The judicial system (& the police) may not prove too co-operative if you blast it all over the press at this stage. Plus if you wait for the whole story, Fred might be able to make a bob or two for his version ;)

 

I may be able to source contacts, will check & PM you.

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