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One thing that I don't think anyone has asked you yet Pat, are you still attending classes?

I've never been a student at Plymouth College of Art.

Fred was a part-time student, but the unfortunate barrier incident ended his short career there.;)

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I see you're in my neck of the woods, Conniff Have you ever had the privilege of being a Plymouth College of Art student?;)

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I ment Fred, sorry. I hope it wasn't a paying course, if so, has he applied for a refund of non used fees. Now that would really make them spit out their coffee reading that out in the staff room.

 

If he can't get a refund, he could apply for a course in 'mechanical engineering' :)

 

No, but used to pass it most days and a neice did a course there, I don't think auto barriers had been invented then.

 

I went to the Polytech in North Hill though.

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I ment Fred, sorry. I hope it wasn't a paying course, if so, has he applied for a refund of non used fees. Now that would really make them spit out their coffee reading that out in the staff room.

I guess it would.:lol:

 

No, but used to pass it most days and a neice did a course there, I don't think auto barriers had been invented then.

 

I went to the Polytech in North Hill though.

It's a small world.

You'd think barriers hadn't been invented yet to look at the sorry state of Fred's barrier now. They seem to have had a few problems keeping it intact:eek:

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Plymouth College of Art student surely? :-)

Quite right, Bedlington.Thanks for reminding me. All present and correct now.:D

It was rather late and what I meant to ask Conniff was whether there was any chance he'd been a student of Plymouth College of Art, the very establishment which has taken one of it's own students to court for allegedly damaging it's car park barrier and then because it had no justifiable case has used it's not inconsiderable artistic ability to be extremely creative with the truth and to hound that student for over three years (That is a true statement and backed up by proof;))

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This business of running up massive costs for a small claims case seems to be a new strategy implemented by Lyons Davidson. It appears a year or two back they were actively discouraging people from litigating in instances where the solicitors fees were likely to outweigh the potential return to the plaintiff.

 

Mind you at the rates they charge any premium payable on top of the policy for legal cover would be eaten up simply by reading the first letter you wrote them so maybe it just wasn't profitable enough for Lyons Davidson to pursue that claim and never mind the policy holders best interests??

 

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This business of running up massive costs for a small claims case seems to be a new strategy implemented by Lyons Davidson. It appears a year or two back they were actively discouraging people from litigating in instances where the solicitors fees were likely to outweigh the potential return to the plaintiff.

That's interesting, TLD. You mean they used to act in a sensible way, but for some unknown reason they've gone kamikaze?It's very strange behaviour for a firm of solicitors, they usually watch the bottom line very carefully.If they've taken this approach with many other cases, they'll go the way of another company involved in Fred's case,before too long, Universal Security UK Ltd.:D

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Well Patma I think the posters answer to Lyons Davidson should have been 'And what's that to me, I've got legal cover insurance so win, lose or draw I won't be paying your fees'?

 

So I'm not entirely convinced that the response from Lyons Davidson was in the best interests of the poster who was denied the chance to seek recompense despite them holding legal cover insurance on the strength of a decision most likely made by the provider of that insurance policy. It certainly appears from reading that thread and other similar threads that the legal cover offered by some of the companies out there is right up with all the other insurance policies that you are supposed to just pay a premium and never collect upon such as the various vehicle warranties and certain sickness plans.

 

Lyons Davidson could well have run up costs far in excess of the claim value and in the ideal world (the World lets face it that you are led to believe exists when you sign up to this insurance) the insurer would have been obliged to meet any surplus not recoverable from the defendant.

Where the claim is not subrogated vis a stooge third party against whom the solicitors can claim costs in the event of an adverse judgment it appears that insurers are just a little more reluctant to enter into litigation.:sad:

 

This quote from another thread here says much about the whole insurer client scene:

 

Just to say about Lyons Davidson, yes they are very big and seem to be recommended by a number of insurance companies.

 

I think you would be best to drop Lyons Davidson and start looking for a decent solicitor who specialises in personal injury. Certainly a solicitor that is small enough to care about you as a person, not just another 'file on the desk'

 

I say this because I have a friend who was involved in a car accident and has been unable to walk without the aid of a stick ever since. Like yourself the accident wasn't his fault, in his case a driver jumped a red light and hit him side on. Sure enough his insurance company recommended Lyons Davidson and of course probably like most people he went with it. Your comment "I just want it all resolving swiftly and for me not to be out of pocket!" probably rings true for most people, the reality of it is of course that injury claims take time, and Lyons Davidson are probably slower than others due to the volume of work they must have, with all the insurance company referals they get!

 

 

However to cut a long story short it has been 3 years since my friends accident and it has been an uphill stuggle for him all they way, Lyons Davidson were slow at doing anything, didn't return his calls etc.. so much so in the end he got rid of them and appointed a new solicitor, who so far has been much more pro-active about getting things done.

 

 

Remind me again how long have Lyons Davidson been dealing with this 'simple' small claims case? No wonder their costs are so high, this should really have all been done and dusted in months!!

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Well Patma I think the posters answer to Lyons Davidson should have been 'And what's that to me, I've got legal cover insurance so win, lose or draw I won't be paying your fees'?

 

Good point, TLD. I see what you mean.

There's a very close relationship between insurance companies and Lyons Davidson, which as you point out is definitely not in the interests of the customer/client.

Remind me again how long have Lyons Davidson been dealing with this 'simple' small claims case? No wonder their costs are so high, this should really have all been done and dusted in months!!

They first wrote to Fred in September 06 I believe, so it's 3 years and counting.

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They first wrote to Fred in September 06 I believe, so it's 3 years and counting.

 

 

So as according to the latest order costs matters will be addressed at the November hearing, I trust Fred will be highlighting the appointment of the Private Detective agency, all those vehicle reports from MIDIS and DVLA etc. and quite a large number of other items in their costings as wholly unreasonable coming as they did not prior to commencement of proceedings (as would be normal when means testing to assess a parties ability to pay) but just under THREE YEARS AFTER Lyons Davidson took on the case!!

 

Three years during which the vast majority of the rather large costs presented by Lyons Davidson had already been incurred!!!

 

A little late you might say.

 

Of course all these more recent long letters, applications and extra hearings that Lyons Davidson are so keen to avoid must be ratcheting the costs right up for somebody (I'm guessing Plymouth College of Art) but they weren't to know at the time they authorised a financial investigation of Fred that their case was about to go horribly wrong. There are strong indicators in their costings that Lyons Davidson have acted as though they were given carte blanche to run up costs.:|

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Very true and all this hounding of an innocent person reads like a bad dream when you contrast it with the ethical policy of the corporation and governing body of Plymouth College of Art.

http://owl.pcad.ac.uk/files/documents/corporation/1e.%20%20Code%20of%20Conduct/Code%20of%20Conduct%2002.08.pdf

 

Check out the Aims and Values section especially 3.2 and 3.3

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That was a real scream who writes their material!!!:D:D

 

Has Fred actually made a formal complaint about his treatment to the Governors of Plymouth College of Art and to Plymouth City Council? I know there have been a few 'off the record' mutterings about the goings on at Plymouth college of Art but with the litigation now drawing to an end would it be worthwhile making a formal complaint to the college and the council, possibly even going as far as to make it reasonably personal and mentioning George Dexters part in the proceedings seeing as it is his hand involved at every stage and on almost every document a number of which have been alleged to the Court by Fred as being false instruments?

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Very true and all this hounding of an innocent person reads like a bad dream when you contrast it with the ethical policy of the corporation and governing body of Plymouth College of Art.

http://owl.pcad.ac.uk/files/documents/corporation/1e.%20%20Code%20of%20Conduct/Code%20of%20Conduct%2002.08.pdf

 

Check out the Aims and Values section especially 3.2 and 3.3

 

 

Ironic that when I clicked on the link........

 

 

 

owl.pcad.ac.uk:443 uses an invalid security certificate.

 

The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is not trusted.

 

(Error code: sec_error_untrusted_issuer)

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Has anyone seen "The university of bums on seats"?

 

http://www.cynicalb*****ds.com/ubs/

 

Oh, the web address gets censored. I think most people can guess how to complete it. Otherwise google "The University of Bums on Seats".

 

From what we've seen in this thread, I wonder if the character of "Senior University Bloke" Ron "The Razor" Richards is relevant somehow. Look at his exploits in "Skidmark".

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That was a real scream who writes their material!!!:D:D

 

Has Fred actually made a formal complaint about his treatment to the Governors of Plymouth College of Art and to Plymouth City Council? I know there have been a few 'off the record' mutterings about the goings on at Plymouth college of Art but with the litigation now drawing to an end would it be worthwhile making a formal complaint to the college and the council, possibly even going as far as to make it reasonably personal and mentioning George Dexters part in the proceedings seeing as it is his hand involved at every stage and on almost every document a number of which have been alleged to the Court by Fred as being false instruments?

No he hasn't yet made a formal complaint, but I think he should. If he doesn't there's a whistleblower procedure that anyone can use, pass the whistle please ;)

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I think we should all write letters of complaint to Plymouth college of Art and Design, that we have been made aware of unethical conduct by their staff.

 

Education is paid for nationally isnt it?

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THAT is an excellent idea, nats. :D

 

Lets see what the Principal has to say about the unprincipled actions of his minions.

 

Maybe copy the head of education at Devon County Council and the Secretary of State for Education as well.

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I wonder what the "a couple of legal actions" that were underway in 2006 were.... And if any of them has been discussed further with the audit committee yet.

 

http://owl.pcad.ac.uk/files/documents/corporation/1h.%20%20Audit%20Committee%20Minutes/Audit%202006%20-%206%20December%20Final.pdf

 

correctly.

Page 11 – there were a couple of legal actions being taken. At this stage,

the College’s view was that no disclosure in the accounts was required. The

only reason to disclose would be if these legal actions were going to have a

large financial impact.

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Maybe copy the head of education at Devon County Council and the Secretary of State for Education as well.

 

As far as I am aware, a college is not responsible to or funded by the County Council. It is an autonomous body funded by the LSC.

 

As it is further education, it has nothing to do with the SoS for Education, it will, I believe, come under Lord Mandleson's fiefdom, along with the universities.

 

If you intend to fire off letters of compliant, then you must first select the correct targets.

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