Locked in car park

[sb118]

The lack of good news is disheartening

[T4NKG1RL]

still nothing?

[middenmess]

Not even an update to say why there is no update?

[Kraken1]

I suspect it is because they lost. Or they settled before the hearing and agreed a gag.

[Conniff]

I think it's letting everyone who contributed down, a pretty poor show.

[middenmess]

I suspect it is because they lost. Or they settled before the hearing and agreed a gag.

 

 

Can't have lost,surely?

[MARTIN3030]

I agree.

This thread has been a focus for many.

Personally I think those who have been contributing from the start and remained supportive,deserve to be considered better than this.

I am not party to the situation or what has developed,but those who are in a position to give an update,should have been mindful of the very ethos and reasons for CAGS existence-just an update even without giving anything away would not have gone amiss.

This has been a show of extreme disappointment for many and shows some replication of the same concerns raised elsewhere on the site.

[Huff&Puff]

Too much secret squirrel stuff goes on at CAG these days :( :(

[MARTIN3030]

Too much secret squirrel stuff goes on at CAG these days :( :(

 

Its certainly not something we are happy to agree with nor would encourage.

I invite those who are a party to recent developements or in a position to give an update to contact me or the site team.

[noomill060]

Just a reflection of society, Im afraid. People take what they want and dont necessarily feel obliged to put something back

 

CAG long ago ceased to be a penalty charges advice site. The site can never be a complete legal aid service. When we were doing batlle with the Banks on a daily basis, we shared and pooled intelligence for the benefit of others.

 

Thare was a clear common aim that united all of us.

 

Damaged carpark barriers dont keep me awake at night

[MARTIN3030]

 

Suppose its one way of looking at it.

 

But to be serious,granted the issues now are very different,but in this instance here-its been interesting for many who have also forgot the penalty charges to engage in support and advice.

[Kraken1]

accurate reports of what happened in any given situation and the reasons given help us to refine the advice given. often most of the cases we advise on won't have real precedent and won't be reported and so first accounts really help.

 

Anyone know what court this was in and the date?

[middenmess]

accurate reports of what happened in any given situation and the reasons given help us to refine the advice given. often most of the cases we advise on won't have real precedent and won't be reported and so first accounts really help.

 

Anyone know what court this was in and the date?

 

Oct.8th--http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?167970-Locked-in-car-park&p=3149550&viewfull=1#post3149550-

[IdaInFife]

I've heard from Fred that there is to be an appeal hearing on Friday 8th October in Exeter. His very experienced McKenzie friend will be accompanying him. Everything is as ready as it can be.

I'll let you all know the outcome. All my fingers and toes will be crossed as I guess lots of yours will be.

 

 

is this any help kracken?

[perplexity]

Damaged carpark barriers dont keep me awake at night

 

 

It was stupid thing to do to start with, so doubly stupid to make a cause celebre of it, as if there were some sort of right to be stupid.

 

I am not so surprised if a judge would rather have none of it.

 

8-)

[middenmess]

!!!!!!!!! What was stupid?

[perplexity]

Criminal damage.

 

 

P.S.

 

Do you intend to send a message to the effect that it's a sensible thing to do, to break out of a car park if you're stuck, or is it correct to defer to the authority of the management?

 

That is the sort of question that a judge has to sleep with, so to speak.

 

8-)

Edited November 7, 2010 by perplexity
P.S.

[MARTIN3030]

 

It was stupid thing to do to start with, so doubly stupid to make a cause celebre of it, as if there were some sort of right to be stupid.

 

Of course you are free to express your opinion,but its not really helpful to anyone to be making comments like this.

If you have followed the thread from the beginning,you will know that there has been injustices.

The way that things have been handled,also raises some extremely searching questions.

[perplexity]

If you have followed the thread from the beginning,you will know that there has been injustices.

The way that things have been handled,also raises some extremely searching questions.

 

I have read the entirety of this thread, which is precisely why I am not at all so surprised by the outcome.

 

If you are, then it's your own advice you need to question.

 

 

8-)

[Feebee_71]

Im really shocked by the turn this thread has taken with the last lot of postings.

 

This is a matter that has gone on for a long time, it has been complex at the best of times and there have been numerous delays along the way when no news has been released by those who have been involved.

 

This matter was, as far as we know, last in court only 4 weeks ago and there have been a couple of comments from those involved to say that the matter was concluded and that judgement was expected to be revealed the following week. However, knowing how this case has been shaped over the time it has been running it would not surprise me if there hasn't been a delay.

 

While it would be nice to be kept up to date with the current situation is it really fair to post some of the things that have been recently because the thread hasn't been updated? I just hope those who have kept things updated aren't scared off from porting the eventual outcome - if they can based on whatever the outcome of the case is.

 

Feebee_71

[Jasper1965]

Criminal damage.

 

 

P.S.

 

Do you intend to send a message to the effect that it's a sensible thing to do, to break out of a car park if you're stuck, or is it correct to defer to the authority of the management?

 

That is the sort of question that a judge has to sleep with, so to speak.

 

8-)

 

But the barrier was already damaged.

the barrier was a hydraulic barrier not an electric one and so the damages claimed from Fred could not possibly have been done by Fred.

 

How hard were these two points for anyone to understand be they yourself or a Judge? Most of us picked up pretty quickly that something was rotten with the whole case, the way the claimant behaved simply vindicated our initial concerns.

 

One has to hope that the learned Judge was able to take on board a few simple facts such as:

The barrier was already damaged.

The damages claimed can not be done to the type of barrier in place not by Fred not by anyone because that make of barrier simply does not utilise the parts claimed damaged.

The claimant repeatedly provided false information under a statement of truth.

The police did not feel any criminal act had been committed.

etc. etc. etc.

 

Suggest you re-read the thread in its entirety.

[labrat]

this is perplexity your talking about

 

he doesnt read threads

 

likes to post useless and pointless advice

 

tends to pick fights with other members

 

likes to copy and paste large amounts of text

 

and tends to not read things before venturing an optinion

[T4NKG1RL]

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt particularly applies to perplexity methinks.

[perplexity]

Were I to go to court to lodge a claim my preference would be to win.

 

Were "methinks" to undertake to cover the cost of a lost case the opinion of "methinks" would count for that much more but that is not going to happen, is it?

 

I thought not.

 

Words are cheap.

 

 

P.S.

 

How hard were these two points for anyone to understand be they yourself or a Judge?

 

The judge has the benefit of hearing the other side of story. That is how the system of justice works in the UK, as an adversarial contest.

 

When exactly was such an opportunity afforded, during the course of this thread?

 

I must have missed that.

 

 

P.P.S.

 

The police did not feel any criminal act had been committed.

etc. etc. etc.

 

No kidding?

 

A few weeks later he was arrested and charged with criminal damage, for which he accepted a caution.

 

Edited November 8, 2010 by perplexity

[ScarletPimpernel]

Perplexity, if you had bothered to read the thread you would have seen that the police involvement was not as it initially seemed.

 

Then again, since your only motivation appears to be to disrupt, rather than make a meaningful contribution, an understanding of the issues involved is hardly likely to be a priority for you. Any further behaviour like this is likely to result in moderation.