Locked in car park

[Toulose LeDebt]

Like I said in an earlier post- PCAD has sowed the wind and now they will reap the tornado.

 

I understand that the courts do not encourage perjury.

 

Well Noomy the claimant will also have received along with the application copies of two letters originating from the Police legal services.

There's a line in the one letter which will make rather uncomfortable reading stating as it does that the bundle of evidence supplied to the police by the defendant is 'meritorious of further investigation'.

 

Obviously we could not comment on an ongoing criminal case if such existed but Fred has been assured that the police will wait until the civil case is concluded before starting any such investigation.

[noomill060]

Freddie and the Dreamers?

 

YouTube - Freddie and The Dreamers - I'm telling you now

[noomill060]

7 guests now....

 

Sweating yet?

[Zamzara]

Wow this is an incredible development. I understand a bit better now why you all seem so positive.

 

Just when you thought this case couldn't get any weirder.

[Alphageek]

*Repetition as we all know is one of the simplest forms of brainwashing and other mind control techniques.

 

Repetition as we all know is one of the simplest forms of brainwashing and other mind control techniques.

[noomill060]

Like I said in an earlier post- PCAD has sowed the wind and now they will reap the tornado.

 

I understand that the courts do not encourage perjury.

 

Like I said in an earlier post- PCAD has sowed the wind and now they will reap the tornado.

 

I understand that the courts do not encourage perjury.

[Toulose LeDebt]

Did I mention how confident Fred must now feel to discover that the claimant has rested their case on something that does not exist?

[Bookworm]

Did I mention how confident Fred must now feel to discover that the claimant has rested their case on something that does not exist?

You may have, but it's still worth repeating.

[Patma]

Did I mention how confident Fred must now feel to discover that the claimant has rested their case on something that does not exist?

And lots of other things we've disproved too:D

[kiptower]

Committing PERJURY to pervert the course of Justice, springs to mind

put that in your pipe and smoke it guests

[dad]

I am speechless - Yet another example of astonishing behaviour.

 

I was just taking a quick look back to how this all began and remembered this from the previous hearing:

The judge spent some time trying to persuade Fred to drop his counterclaim

 

Egg - Face - Splat

 

Well done TLD / Patma et al.

 

Dad

[noomill060]

So, the judge has stayed this for a further two months- could this be to allow the Police to do their investigation, I wonder?

 

Criminal proceedings (if any are brought) always take precidence over civil.

[Toulose LeDebt]

Thanks Dad but frankly most of the credit must go to PCAD and Lyons-Davidson who had to retire so much 'evidence' from their bundle that they were forced to bulk it out with all manner of documents and letters which for the most part were stamped as 'Irrelevant' but actually contained deep down the real truth behind the caution.

 

Without PCAD and Lyons-Davidson and the recent rather helpful assistance from their barrister we might never have been able to use the fact the caution does not exist in Freds defence and we musn't underestimate the part played by the late Universal Security (UK) ltd in providing Fred with much useful evidence either.

 

Is that a round of applause I'm hearing or just the sound of a bell tolling?

Edited August 28, 2009 by Toulose LeDebt

[noomill060]

A round of applause or a dose of the clap?

 

(100% curable now using sulphur drugs)

[Toulose LeDebt]

So, the judeg has stayed this for a further two months- could this be to allow the Police to do their investigation, I wonder?

 

 

No the stay is primarily because the Solicitor heading the Force Legal Dept. could not formally finalise confirmation of 'the caution not existing' at such short notice, and without consulting the Chief Constable. Unfortunately it reached him as an appeal against the caution and so certain formalities have to be met first. Had it just been a simple confirm or deny then as before when Lyons-Davidson contacted them lastyear it would have been a simple denial and game over next wednesday.

 

Basically we're waiting for a response from the Chief Constable of Devon and Cornwall to rubber stamp it and until this actually happens the lawyer wont put his name against it and make it 'Official'.

 

Hopefully this process will not take too long as the letter to the Chief Constable was dictated in the presence of Fred last thursday.

 

 

Any investigation conducted by the police into behaviour of parties to the civil case will be implemented upon conclusion of the civil proceedings.

Edited August 28, 2009 by Toulose LeDebt

[Annoying Twit]

Two months is a long time. It would be prudent to consider what might or might not happen in that time. What do they say about a snake being most dangerous when cornered?

[noomill060]

"What do they say about a snake being most dangerous when cornered?"

 

 

I think it would be fair to say that PCAD have discovered the truth of that and got a nasty snake bite for their troubles...

[heliosfa]

Two months is a long time. It would be prudent to consider what might or might not happen in that time. What do they say about a snake being most dangerous when cornered?

 

I suppose that if the confirmation arrives quickly, Fred could apply to have the stay lifted early?

 

H

[Toulose LeDebt]

Two months is a long time. It would be prudent to consider what might or might not happen in that time. What do they say about a snake being most dangerous when cornered?

 

It certainly is a long time but in Freds favour is the fact that the stay was issued so late in proceedings that all documents for both hearings have already been filed at Court. It's all a bit too late in the day for the claimant to produce anything new or attempt to change anything and any such attempt will be contested in the same manner as the last which appears to have caused the claimant rather a large amount of angst resulting in a blubfest of staggering proportions.

 

We shall as always be monitoring closely, any monkey business will be spotted and dealt with. Remember it's not just our eyes watching the claimant now, it's the Judges, the Police, the SRA and Plymouth City Council amongst others8-)8-) They are under far more scrutiny right now than Fred ever was when they assigned a Private eye to him.

 

Oh and todays surprise was not the final card in the hand by any means. I understand they face one more quite large and rather ugly surprise when they enter Court and a veritable avalanche of smaller yet pertinent problems in addition to those they already are aware of.

 

We have kept a not inconsiderable amount of Freds powder dry for any hearing.

Edited August 27, 2009 by Toulose LeDebt
'F' in or that's 'for' not slang for a female PCAD employee.

[Toulose LeDebt]

I suppose that if the confirmation arrives quickly, Fred could apply to have the stay lifted early?

 

H

 

It is important when making 'Plymouth Crock Stew' that once all the ingredients are brought to the boil they are left to simmer and tenderise for a period of not less than two months.

[den3371]

Just wanted to say you are all amazing!!

 

I had a considerable amount of help from fellow Caggers a couple of years ago, and applaud all of you who have helped Patma and Fred get this far, and what soon can only be an utlimate victory!!!

 

Well done all of you!

[labrat]

congradulations look forward to november - stick it to them.

 

wish the guests would leave comments tho so we could get there thoughts, or do you think it would overload the swearfilter

[natalie]

I would love to be in the Lyon's Davidson office, or indeed in the office when Plymouth College of Art and Design has to tell the local authority legal department about this latest development.

 

I think I said right back at the beginning that the reason this was being persued was arrogance... they didnt think anyone would stand up to them.. how wrong they were.

 

Well done Fred, Pat, and especially TLD who I think is a shining example of what CAG is all about.

Edited August 28, 2009 by natalie
abbrevs

[Toulose LeDebt]

I would love to be in the Ld office, or indeed in the office when PCAD has to tell the local authority legal department about this latest development.

 

Now the strange thing natalie is that PCAD appear not to have gone through the local authority legal dept as you might expect but have conducted these proceedings more as very much a one man crusade against Fred.

It must be slowly dawning on them that they've been set up by their insurers to make this claim, handed the insurers rather expensive solicitors to represent them then placed out into the line of fire whilst the co-claimant or should that be 'real' claimant retreats to a safe distance.

 

I don't think for one moment that the local authority legal advisers would have sanctioned these proceedings but they were until quite recently completely unaware of their existence. To say the Plymouth City Council members I've spoken too were shocked to learn what has happened is a crass understatement.

 

Whatever happens in Court or afterwards I can see a direct formal complaint being lodged at both the college and the City Council against the member of staff who has pursued this personal vendetta raising questions about his suitability to hold the position he currently holds when five days a week he is in the company of young and otherwise vulnerable people.

[BSC]

Well done Fred, Patma and TLD

 

Oh and the biggest round of applause to LD and PCAD who between them have made the biggest balls up I have ever had the pleasure of reading all these weeks