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please help I have sent about 7 letters to my debt collectors some of which are over 6 years old asking for the agreements and sending the 1 pound for this. Letters were sent approx 11 days ago and I havent received 1 agreement form back. What shall I do ?

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Be a bit more patient!

 

They have got 12 days plus 2 days allowed for posting to come up with the CCA before the alleged debt goes into default.

 

Did you send the letters recorded or special delivery?

Were the £1 payments sent as postal orders?

Have you checked any of the letters to see if they were signed for?

 

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Also bear in mind that some DCA's may not bother respond at all.

 

I sent a Statute Barred and CCA'd Scotcall 6 weeks ago and I have heard nothing since!

 

Deal with the ones that send you something.

 

Wait until those who've ignored you to try and demand payment and then hit them with the "Account in dispute" letter.

 

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Suzanne, you mention that for some of the debts, you have not made any payments for 6 years ? if so then they are statute barred in which case send letter 'M' from here by recorded delivery and don't hand sign them - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general-debt-issues/20758-creditors-dcas-letter-templates.html

 

If you have sent CCA requests off for those debts which are NOT statute barred and have not had a response after 12+2 working days then send them this letter (again by recorded and do not hand sign)

 

Account In Dispute

 

Ref:

 

Dear Sir/Madam

 

Thank you for your letter of xx/xx/xx, the contents of which have been noted.

 

You have failed to respond to my legal request to supply me a true copy of the original Consumer Credit Agreement for the above account.

 

On **DATE** I made a formal request for a true signed agreement for the alleged account under consumer credit Act 1974 s77/8. A copy of which is enclosed for your perusal and ease of reference.

You have failed to comply with my request, and as such the account entered default on **DATE**.

 

The document that you are obliged to send me is a true copy of the executed agreement that contained all of the prescribed terms, all other required terms and statutory notices and was signed by both your company and myself as defined in section 61(1) of CCA 74 and subsequent Statutory Instruments. If the executed agreement contained any reference to any other document, you are also obliged to send me a copy of that document.In addition a full statement of this account should have been sent to me detailing all debits and credits to the account.

 

Furthermore

 

 

You are aware that the Consumer Credit Act allows 12 working days for a request for a true copy of a credit agreement to be carried out before your client enters into a default situation.

 

This limit has expired.

 

As you are no doubt aware section 77(6) states:

 

If the creditor fails to comply with Subsection (1)

 

(a) He is not entitled , while the default continues, to enforce the agreement.

 

Therefore this account has become unenforceable at law.

 

As you have Failed to comply with a lawful request for a true, signed copy of the said agreement and other relevant documents mentioned in it, Failed to send a full statement of the account and Failed to provide any of the documentation requested.

 

Consequentially any legal action you pursue will be averred as both UNLAWFUL and VEXATIOUS.

 

Furthermore I shall counterclaim that any such action constitutes unlawful harassment.

 

Please note you may also consider this letter as a statutory notice under section 10 of the Data Protection Act to cease processing any data in relation to this account with immediate effect.

 

This means you must remove all information regarding this account from your own internal records and from my records with any credit reference agencies.

 

Should you refuse to comply, you must within 21 days provide me with a detailed breakdown of your reasoning behind continuing to process my data.

 

It is not sufficient to simply state that you have a ‘legal right’; You must outline your reasoning in this matter and state upon which legislation this reasoning depends.

 

Should you not respond within 14 days I expect that this means you agree to remove all such data.

 

Furthermore you should be aware that a creditor is not permitted to take ANY

Action against an account whilst it remains in dispute.

 

The lack of a credit agreement is a very clear dispute and as such the following applies.

 

* You may not demand any payment on the account, nor am I obliged to offer any payment to you.

* You may not add further interest or any charges to the account.

* You may not pass the account to a third party.

* You may not register any information in respect of the account with any credit reference agency.

* You may not issue a default notice related to the account.

 

 

I reserve the right to report your actions to any such regulatory authorities as I see fit.

You have 14 days from receiving this letter to contact me with your intentions to resolve this matter which is now a formal complaint.

 

I would appreciate your due diligence in this matter.

 

I look forward to hearing from you in writing.

 

Yours faithfully

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I have had an agreement sent back today the debt is over 6 years old and this is a photocopy, I have previously made some payments towards this debt what letter should i sent out now .

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I will move this thread to the debt forums, as you will get more help there.

 

Depending when you last made a payment, this debt could be statute barred.

 

This is a good link to tread.

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/146530-have-you-received-threatening.html

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Yes you do. That's what it's all about unfortunately.

 

If you can give some more details then maybe we can help you do something about it.

I really do appreciate all those 'thank you' emails - I'm glad I've been able to help. Apologies if I haven't acknowledged all of them.

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Do you mean the agreement is over six years old or the debt is over six years old? If the latter then, if you haven't acknowledged the debt or made a repayment for six years, the debt is statute-barred.

 

If you're in Scotland that's only five years.

I really do appreciate all those 'thank you' emails - I'm glad I've been able to help. Apologies if I haven't acknowledged all of them.

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I do not acknowledge any debt to your company

Dear Sir,

 

Re:−

 

FORMAL NOTICE - ACCOUNT IN DISPUTE.

 

This letter is further to letter from yourselves dated (enter date).

On the (enter date) I wrote to you requesting a copy of the credit agreement and other information under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 (Sections 77-79).

 

To date you have failed to comply with these requests in any way.

 

These documents I requested should be readily available as proof of your legal right to collect this account under the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

 

Furthermore, you are aware that the Consumer Credit Act allows 12 working days for a request for a true copy of a credit agreement to be carried out before you enter into a default situation.

 

These limits have expired.

 

As you are no doubt aware the Consumer Credit Act states:

 

If the creditor fails to comply with Subsection (1)

 

He is not entitled , while the default continues, to enforce the agreement.

 

Therefore this account has become unenforceable at law.

 

Consequentially any legal action you pursue will be averred as both UNLAWFUL and VEXATIOUS.

 

Furthermore I shall counter-claim that any such action constitutes unlawful harassment.

 

Please note you may also consider this letter as a statutory notice under section 10 of the Data Protection Act to cease processing any data in relation to this account with immediate effect.

 

This means you must remove all information regarding this account from your own internal records and from my records with any credit reference agencies.

Should you refuse to comply, you must within 21 days of the initial request to stop processing my details, provide me with a detailed breakdown of your reasoning behind continuing to process my data.

 

It is not sufficient to simply state that you have a ‘legal right’. You must outline your reasoning in this matter and state upon which legislation this reasoning depends.

 

Furthermore you should be aware that a creditor is not permitted to take ANY

Action against an account whilst it remains in dispute.

 

The lack of a credit agreement is a very clear dispute and as such the following applies.

 

* You may not demand any payment on the account, nor am I obliged to offer any payment to you.

* You may not add further interest or any charges to the account.

* You may not pass the account to a third party.

* You may not register any information in respect of the account with any credit reference agency.

* You may not issue a default notice related to the account.

 

I reserve the right to report your actions to any such regulatory authorities as I see fit including but not limited to Trading Standards, the Office of Fair Trading, the Information Commissioners Office, The Financial Ombudsman Service and my MP .

You have 7 days from receiving this letter to contact me with your intentions to resolve this matter which is now a formal complaint.

 

I would appreciate your due diligence in this matter.

 

I look forward to hearing from you in writing.

 

Yours faithfully

 

Ther you go suzanne. Edit to suit, and PLEASE DO NOT SIGN IT. Just print your name.

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I Have Sent The Second Letters Stating That The Crediters Have Gone Into Default Now As I Havnt Received The Agreements From All Of Them. What Will Happen Now???? Will I Have To Pay Them Anything

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depends on what they come up with if anything

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I am really dreading what the post man mite bring in the next few weeks has anyone else sent off the 2nd letters to say the crediters are in default. WHAT HAPPENED. SOME OF MY DEBTS ARE OVER 6 YEARS OLD

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I am really dreading what the post man mite bring in the next few weeks has anyone else sent off the 2nd letters to say the crediters are in default. WHAT HAPPENED. SOME OF MY DEBTS ARE OVER 6 YEARS OLD

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If some of your debts are 6 years old then they may not have the agreements.....when you say the debts are 6 years old...have you not made a payment towards some of them for 6 years ? any chance some may be statute barred ?

PLEASE NOTE - I am not a legal expert, what is stated is my own opinion and from what I have learnt from this forum and my own experiences.

 

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If they are over 6 years old then CCA 2nd letter is no good, you should send the statue barred letter.Basically they cant chase you for a debt over 6 years old.

 

I sent a CCA 2nd letter 5 months ago, and still havent heard a word from them, but i know one day the debt will pass to another company, then i just send them a letter stating that im waiting for a CCA, once it hits 6 yrs goodbye!

 

You can find details on statue barred debt in this post

Halifax Bank - Owed £1599

23/3 - Data Protection Act sent

24/5 - Data Protection Act finally arrived

25/5 - Demand for repayment sent

04/10 Court bundle filed with court and Halifax

29/10 STAY ISSUED

JAN 08 - Currently being harrased by debt collectors!

Mar 08 - New DCA - Stopped in there tracks

Jun 08 - And another

Jul 08 - Complaint made to HBOS

Nov 08 - My accounts been sold to a DCA

Jan 09 - New complaint issued against HBOS

Mar 09 - Halifax re-aquired the debt

Apr 09 - Applying for Hardship.

 

at least they removed 2 defaults in selling accounts! :D

 

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I doubt it on the first letters and the first DCA but after it has been passed to a few DCAs and been in dispute for some time, it usually "disappears" as opposed to being written off.

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