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    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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S'ok, I found the information earlier in your thread. That envelope is a UK Mail 2nd class business service. So it would actually take 5 (FIVE) days to reach you minimum because their delivery schedule is to the Royal Mail sorting office in order to deliver the "final mail" UK Mail don't do doorstep deliveries.

 

The Default Notice - they advise the clause you have breached is "8f"..

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In respect of the clause alluded to within the Default notice which is contended to provide an entitlement to demand full balance outstanding to be paid immediately on demand, the Defendant avers that the clause 8f is an attempt to contract out of the consumer protections of the 1974 Act and which is not permitted and therefore is void by virtue of s173 Consumer Credit Act1 974. The Consumer Credit Act 1974 stipulates circumstances, which must be followed by the creditor in the event that the debtor breaches the agreement. S87 (1) of the Act is explicitly clear that the service of a default notice is required before the creditor can become “Entitled” to demand earlier payment of any sum.

 

Furthermore s89 expressly sets out that if the debtor remedies the breach then the Act states that the breach is considered not to have occurred.

 

Thereforethe clause 8f referred to in the Default Notice, which states that the debtor must pay the full balance when the debtor breaches the agreement by failing to pay an installment is not in keeping with the consumer protection requirements s87, 88 & 89 of the 1974 Act.

 

Further to the above, s129 of the 1974 Act provides the Debtor with the right to seek a Time Order from the Court. Where the Debtor is unable to maintain his instalments, the Creditor must firstly serve a default notice which per the requirements of the Consumer Credit Default Enforcement and Termination NoticesRegulations 1983 must advise the debtor that he can seek a Time Order. The Defendant avers that the clause 8f denies the Defendant this entitlement, as the clause requires full and immediate payment of the full balance.

 

Furthermore, s76 and 98 of the 1974 Act deal with the requirements where there is a non-breach scenario, therefore the 1974 Act expressly sets out what is required by the Creditor before he can become entitled to seek to recover monies from a debtor in circumstances where the Debtor hasn’t breached his contract. Both provisions (breach and non breach) provide an entitlement for the debtor to seek a Time Order from the Court. To remove this entitlement, which the Defendant avers is what these two clauses do, is a clear attempt at contracting out of the consumer protections of the Act and is prohibited by s173 of the Act.

 

 

The Default notice is a bad notice. I refer the Court to the recent ruling of HHJ Chambers QC sitting as a Judge of the High Court in Keith Harrison vs Link Financial Limited EWHC 2011 B3 where at paragraph 75 whenaddressing a default notice he stated………

The notice of enforcement

75. The notice of enforcement was a statutory pre-condition of enforcement. It was abad notice and enforcement CANNOT be attempted in dependence upon it.……………………….

 

Accordingly the Claimant cannot enforce the agreement due to the fact the notice is indeed bad for the reasons stated above.

 

I accordingly ask the Court to dismiss the Claimants summary Judgment application. It is evident that there are issues that ought to be dealt with at trial and which provide the Defendant with a complete defence to the Claimants claim.

 

 

To counter their statement at Points 9 and 10 of their WS re..

 

9 & 10 Default Remedy.

 

Again I think this is misleading whilst SI 1983/1561 does not mention "arrears" - it does state what is required to remedy the breach.

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Right, I think I have backed up all the points I raised from their WS. Hopefully andy will pop in soon :)

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Wow. Thank you so much citizenB. Ill get started on my witness statement tomorrow. Do I need to do a Skeleton Argument too, or just a witness statement?

 

Andy has PM'd to say he's going to take a look shortly :-)

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Hi Toxic

 

This you are working on is a WS correct? If so is it in objection to their application for SJ ? If so have you received theirs yet?

 

A little confused as you stated in your PM you wanted me to check a skeleton Argument?

 

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With regard to points 12 & 13 about my hving two different agreements (Skel4.pdf); In their SJ Witness Statement they state that its obvious that one was sent out and then I delayed sending it back so a second one was sent out and I also signed and sent that back too (or words to that affect).

 

Although not mentioned in their Skeleton Argument, their witness statement also addresses that there are two account numbers. They then explain this is normal practice when MBNA assign the account (sell it) they issue a new number. Is this correct?

 

Ill scan the above two parts of their SJ WS tomorrow.

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Andy MBNA's skeleton is in post 386 and 387.

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Hi Toxic

 

This you are working on is a WS correct? If so is it in objection to their application for SJ ? If so have you received theirs yet?

 

A little confused as you stated in your PM you wanted me to check a skeleton Argument?

 

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Yes I was given until this Friday to submit any written evidence for the adjourned SJ Haring.

They sent me a Witness Statement in support of their SJ Application, but their counsel produced a Skeleton Argument document at the last hearing which I have posted on page 20 - post 386.

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But have you received their WS in support of their application....skeleton and WS are two different animals and that what you have uploaded does not support their application and is (orally) inadmissible.They are debarred from submitting any evidence (orally) so its beyond me how they can make an application for SJ and rely on written evidence only?

 

The adjourned hearing Toxic that is for what and when?

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Yes I received a WS in support of their SJ Application. They put their application in when I put mine in for a strike out and asked for it to be heard at the same time (last Friday). My Application was dismissed due to them being punished already by being barred from giving oral evidence at trial. The judge adjourned their SJ hearing after I protested That i had not been given time to prepare. So thats now happening on the 6th Aug. The Judge then told me I had 7 days to submit any written evidence in support of my objection to their SJ.

 

So the hearing on the 6th is for their SJ hearing.

 

I thought they were debarred from "giving oral evidence at trial". I didnt know this included submitting an application for a SJ hearing.

 

Why is their Skeleton Argument Inadmissible?

 

Im confused now.

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Have you uploaded it ? does it contain a statement of truth by the person that drafted it?

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I didnt upload it as its quite a few pages, but I will tomorrow. It does contain a statement of truth by the Shoosmiths Solicitor who's been dealing with this case. She wasn't at the hearing its was someone else from a different company who said he was 'Counsel' for the claimant.

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I didnt upload it as its quite a few pages, but I will tomorrow. It does contain a statement of truth by the Shoosmiths Solicitor who's been dealing with this case. She wasn't at the hearing its was someone else from a different company who said he was 'Counsel' for the claimant.

 

Now I wonder why that was :wink:

 

Yes if you could upload the WS Toxic the Skeleton means nothing with regards to their application for SJ ...its the WS that you must respond to.

 

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I will do Andy. Ill let you know when its up. (should be by 2 pm at the latest)

 

Can I just recap on something you mentioned....

 

Are you saying they are not allowed to submit an application for a SJ as they are debarred from giving oral evidence? and why is their Skeleton Argument Inadmissible?

Im a tad confused now.

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The Skelly is in support of the claim...not their application for SJ..therefore its irrelevant as council cant present it they are debarred.The WS is in support if their application for SJ...now if they are debarred from submitting evidence (orally) for trial then it follows they are also debarred for their application for SJ.

 

So fun times when all they can rely on is written evidence and cant present it orally:madgrin:

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The guy who came up handed his skelly to me and the judge said it referred to their witness statement, which it does refer to within the points contained in it.

 

Sorry Andy, so can I say at the next hearing that they cant present the skelly as they are debarred? And are you saying he cant speak at all or submit any written stuff at the next hearing?

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They are debarred from orally presenting evidence...they can submit written.Summary judgment applications are not supported by skeleton arguments they are supported by Witness Statements.The Skelly has nothing to do with their application you refute their WS.

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Right. Got it. (Sorry I am so dim on these matters). So Ill post up their WS tomorrow, write my WS refuting theirs, and tell the Judge to tell their guy to shut up when he speaks? Is that right?

 

Im especially confused over whether he can speak as the Judge knew about the debarring but let him speak all the way through the last hearing, he even said that if she struck the claim out he would simply re-issue the summons and start from the beginning again, to which she nodded in agreement with him.

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Right. Got it. (Sorry I am so dim on these matters). So Ill post up their WS tomorrow, write my WS refuting theirs, and tell the Judge to tell their guy to shut up when he speaks? Is that right? I would rather you objected than said that:-)

 

Im especially confused over whether he can speak as the Judge knew about the debarring but let him speak all the way through the last hearing, he even said that if she struck the claim out he would simply re-issue the summons and start from the beginning again, to which she nodded in agreement with him.

 

Speaking and presenting argument/evidence are 2 different things Toxic.....they are debarred from witness evidence...... yes I would agree if it was struck out then they probably would just re submit...however it is possible to object to a claim that has been struck out once and the claimant brings the same claim again...providing you request judgment at the time the matter is truck out you would then argue/rely on Res Judicata.

 

But lets save that for another day Toxic...I have had a hard day.:wink:

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Haha. Okay Ill object rather than demand he shuts up :-).

 

Many thanks Andy. I dont know what Id do without this forum and the advice I've had from you and the others. It is very much appreciated.

 

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