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Hi all.

My daughter has had speech and language problems basically since 18 months when she was hospitalised due to a viral infection and lost her speech, we had to start from scratch with her.

During nursery she worked closely with S&L therapists, and was statemented at 15 hours a week to attend main stream primary school. (We looked at special schools but felt she would benefit more from mainstream as her problems werent as physical as some of the other children we saw).

 

She coped well with her sen teacher for the first 3 years at primary, but then her sen left, and a new one came instead.

Also, 3 speech teachers have also left and she has to keep re-adjusting to new ones coming in.

 

Today I was in the car and I asked her how many hours she actually got now working 1-1 with her SEN teacher, and she said 0, she told me she never gets 1-1 it's always groups or some other children aswell who are with her.

 

I am a bit annoyed to say the least. I had no idea that she wasn't receiving her 15 hours a week help in the form of 1-1 tuition. I really just came on to see if this was normal or not. I assumed that as it is MY daughter who is statemented and not all of these other children, she should be the one getting the help of the teahcer who is specifically for her. I don't want to go into the school and ask why she isnt getting solo attention if this is a normal occurence with statements, so I thought I'd ask on here first. Should it be 1-1 or can the school allow it to be done as a group session" to help others who are behind aswell?

 

Also, on a seperate note, I have been to the Doctor to ask for a Dyslexia test for her, and he is now referring us to the child phsycologist and speech and language to get the tests done. I have been told for the last 4 years that "she will catch up" but it's just not happening, and if she does have dyslexia then I would like her to be treated accordingly at the school, there are specialist reading books etc that I have found though the internet.

She has bad problems with her spelling and memory, from the info I have seen on dyslexia websites, I couldnt believe how many of the symptoms she has, and I will be highly surprised if she isn't dyslexic.

 

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What does her SoN say? If it says she should be getting her 15 hours as a 1-1, then that's what she should get and you should march in there and kick butt... If it doesn't, then she wouldn't... It is often the problem with SoN which are too vague.

 

When was the last time her SoN was reviewed? It should be reviewed once a year, if it hasn't been done, you can ask for a review now and try to get her SoN amended to reflect the 15 hours should be 1-1, but you'll have to get supporting evidence.

 

On the other hand, you might want to wait until you have a firm diagnosis of dyslexia (or whatever) as her SoN will need overhauling then anyway.

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Thank you for replying Bookworm,

 

I have dug out the Education folder that I have and located the original Statement that she received in December 2004, it is renewed yearly and all of the renewal statements say that "The statement be continued in it's current form".

 

The original statement was 7 pages long, but included are these points:

 

X has primary needs in relation to speech, language and communication needs. She has a diagnosed receptive and expressive language disorder.

 

3 Education Provision:

 

a) a school placement which enables access to a broad & balanced curriculum including the National Curriculum at the age appropriate Key Stage.

 

b) access to a consistent, socially caring and emotionally nuturing environment, which is able to meet X's language & developmental needs,

 

c) the school should provide daily support on an individual and small group basis with structured programmes and teaching designed to further the development of basic educational skills,

 

d) an Individual Education Plan which identifies the objectives to be achieved and which sets clear targets and monitors progress,

 

e) the school will provide 15 hours per week individual support from a classroom assistant, to be used in support of language development programmes,

 

f) advice and support from a speech and language therapist, as considered appropriate by (area) Primary Care Trust, in order to deliver a programme for language and communication,

 

g) an individual education programme.

 

The last IEP that I received was dated 4th December 2007. It was signed on behalf of the Case Clerk SEN Team.

 

I also received a letter dated September 2008 stating that the S&L Therapist assigned to the school was no longer working there and a new Link Therapist has taken on the caseload at my childs school. She plans to review progress of all the children on the caseload during the current term (Sept-Dec 2008) either by re-assessment or in discussion with the school.

 

 

I know I shouldn't be in here asking what to do and I'm sorry to have let this slip but my husband has had a lot of medical problems recently, and we also have 2 other children so things have all piled up on me, I really should have been on top of this more and I can't believe that a casual question that I asked my daughter has dragged all this up, but I would like to get it sorted as quickly as possible.

What are my next steps please, is it at the school or should I go directly to the Education Services.

 

Thanks

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I had a simular problem with my son. You should really take it up with the school first. The education Authorities just supply funding to the school for the help. Its up to the school to make sure that the funing is used properly and that your child gets the help that the funding is ment to pay for. If the school are un willing to cooperate then contact the education Authorities. Your daughters school should have a senco. (Special educational needs coordinator). Every school has to have one and thats who you need to talk to. If they don't have one which would be very un usual then your best bet would be to talk to the head of the school. Hopse this help

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Hi,

Thank you, I will pop in in the morning to try and get this sorted out, I am 80% that the senco is the deputy head but I cant be 100% so I will double check.

I'll updatee if I manage to speak to somebody tomorrow.

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I had a quick chat with the head this morning but I have to go in and see him properly at 3.15 this afternoon. He said that he does employ someone to work with X (as I obvioulsy knew!) but they dont think it would benefit her to have individual work??

 

I will find out in more detail why he thinks this this afternoon, but to me it just sounds like a fob off so that they can get more children the help altogether rather than just concentrating on one, but maybe I'm wrong.

 

As her mother, I do believe she would benefit from 1-1 work, obviously as she would be getting a lot more attention, but do I really know best?

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The SoN is a legally binding document - his opinions would only count if he gave supporting evidence at the annual review.

 

tell him you will be contacting the LEA on this matter if he doesn't reinstate her 1:1 support.

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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Absolutely. Unless and until the SoN gets amended, then the school is legally obliged (and is being paid to) to provide what the SoN says. They are effectively using funds which they have received specifically for your daughter's 1-1 needs and diverting them to another purpose.

 

Kick butt. :mad:

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Thank you. Yesterday we were told that X is getting her 15 hours a week help but she really wouldnt benefit from 1-1 help, but the head is going to take reports from all of her lesson teachers and let us know what she is most behind in. He did say that she is a fair way behind what she should be though, which makes me think even more that the work should be 1:1.

 

Then he also said that there are no funds left in the school budget for the rest of this year, and now the school have received another 2 statemented children but they aren't being given any funds for them.

I dont know how this whole thing works, such as where the funding comes from, how much they get etc, but I suppose it made me feel a bit guilty, although I know I shouldnt. But I feel that I'm now causing a problem.

I don't like to speak out of place, but I just want the best for my child, and I think I'd feel a bit intimidated arguing with the Head of the school. How can I word what i say so that I dont come across as being rude?

 

When she first started the school she got a lot of 1:1, through reception, Y1 and most of Y2 her help was great and I could really see a difference. But then the SEN teacher left and I suppose thats when the changes started. My daughter had grown extremely close to the teacher and now she had to start with a new one. In Y3 I noticed that the improvements weren't as good, this also may not have been helped by the fact S&L stopped coming into the school aswell, but now she has started Y4 and the gap just seems to be getting bigger and bigger, she really is struggling with the work and I really need to stop this.

She is almost 9, but she cant even recite the alphabet properly, she has massive probs with memory skills, I could give her a list of 5 things and she'd struggle to remember 3 of them.

Her spelling is dreadful, which affects her writing. Her reading is improving but we have good and bad days. She struggles with maths as she has difficulty rememering timestables etc, and she struggles with her English especially when she has to read passages and then answer questions on them.

I work so hard with her at home, which is hard with 2 other kids and a sick husband aswell, but I get so frustrated at times that she doesn't seem to be getting anywhere, she seems to be going backwards instead of improving.

 

Sorry I've gone on a bit! Just had to get it out lol.

I will insist that the work must be 1:1 from now on, as thats what i feel is best for her, she needs a quiet enviroment to enable her to concentrate, not have the distractions of others around her needing help too.

 

Thanks

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If the head says school is getting another 2 statemented children and not getting the money for them, the answer is:

a) The head is lying to you to try and make you feel guilty and hopefully you'll stop interfering, you nosey cow. :p

b) The head is not doing his job properly if he's not getting the funding from the LA.

c) Either of the above is of no interest to you: the school is being paid £x to provide x hours 1:1 to your child, I'll say this in big letters to make sure this is very clear: the school has no right to divert those funds elsewhere.

 

Why are you worried about sounding rude? Is the head worried about fobbing you off with guilt trip and being in breach of a legal document? Anyway, you're not being rude, you are being assertive, something which is a great asset when you have your child's welfare to consider. Non assertive parents' children end up with inadequate SEN provision, I'm sorry to tell you. :-(

 

Ok, here goes:

 

Dear xxx,

 

I am somewhat concerned about the conversations we have been having over the last few days.

 

For background, let me remind you what [child's name]'s Statement of Special Educational Needs dated [date] states: "e) the school will provide 15 hours per week individual support from a classroom assistant, to be used in support of language development programmes" and I draw your attention to the word "individual".

 

It came as a great surprise to me to find from [child] that she was in fact not being given any individual support, nor had she for some time and it was an even greater surprise that when I asked you about it, your answer was to state that you didn't think that it would benefit her to have individual work. Considering the progress she was making when she was getting her allocated 1:1 assistance and considering that she is now slipping behind in

    , I fail to understand the criteria you are using to make that assertion, but would very much like you to explain this reasoning in greater depth.

     

    Be that as it may, I must remind you that a Statement of Special Educational Needs is a legally binding document, drawn to set quite precisely the terms of the needs of a specific child and to which a budget is specifically allocated by the Local Authority and paid to the school. It isn't for the school to then decide whether that budget would be better spent elsewhere.

     

    I must therefore ask you to immediately restore my child's 1:1 for 15 hours a week as per her Statement.

     

    You are of course more than welcome to ask for an immediate review of [child]'s Statement and bring your alternate views should you think that her Statement needs revising, but I am sure I don't need to remind you that you would need a good deal of supporting evidence that the provision as described in her Statement is no longer required in the first place and that this would inevitably lead to a substantial cut in the funding from the LA for my child ( and therefore to the school) if the 1:1 were to disappear.

     

    I understand from what you say that there are other statemented children in the class who have not got funding, which, even if it true, I am going to respectfully suggest is not my or my child's problem. Her provision has been funded, and it is up to the school to ensure that the funding goes to that particular provision and no other.

     

    Yours, etc...

     

    Sign, seal and deliver. 8) ;)

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Oh dear, the old "I have other children at the school to worry about" chestnut. Tough. That's his job, he wanted it and it's got nothing to do with you.

 

The statement is a legal document - they have to put into force what it states in there. the only way it can be changed is if it's successfully appealed or through the annual review, which the school should invite you to.

 

I would suggest contacting these people: Independent Panel for Special Education Advice (IPSEA) to give you some more support and advice.

 

I would now make sure everything is in writing - whether this is minutes of the meeting you make yourself or letters to the school backing up what has been said and expressing your concerns.

 

You can also write to the Head of SEN at your LEA and they can force the school to stick to the statement. If they don't help, advise them you will start proceedings for a judicial review (you would be eligible for legal aid in your daughter's name).

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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Thank you very much for the replys, I have printed the letter and it sounds super, much better than I could have done lol.

 

I think my daughter has actually got a bit muddled when she said that she wasn't getting any 1:1 help, as the sen teacher has now given me a breakdown of what exactly she does get, and what bit of it falls into groupwork. She definately is getting some 1:1 thankfully, although I still need to push for the full 15hrs and I probably shouldnt have just taken my daughters word for it in the first place that she wasnt getting any but i did ask her 3 different times if she was sure what she was saying.

I now think that X classes it as group work because there are actually other people about. I guess to her 1:1 means her & the teacher shut in a cupboard somewhere!! She cant differentiate between 1:1 in a quiet area, and 1:1 in the classroom sat at a table with other children.

 

She was very upset last night when I asked her to explain what she had said, she kept asking me not to go on about it, but it opened up a hole can of worms that she didnt want to be bottom for everything, she didnt want to be the "rubbish" one who scores the lowest marks and she was tired of not being able to do what her classmates could do. I tried to talk her out of it, but I think I need to get a professional to talk to her as I really dont want her to feel so depressed at 8yrs old.

 

After speaking to the sen I am now a lot more happy with the help she is getting, there also seems to be a few crossed wires with what the head as told me because he said X wasnt getting individual work, only groups, but that contradicts what the sen teacher has told me?

 

I still have a meeting tomorrow to see where I need to focus at home in relation to her weaker subjects, so I'll know a bit more then.

 

Thanks again for your help.

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I am going through a tough statementing process for my severly Autistic 3 year old little girl. I have now passed all of her SEN to suitably qualified solicitor. You could well imagine the fight I am having with the LEA as my daughter needs to go to a special school for Autistic children at a cost of 80,000 a year. The statement needs to be precicely termed and worded, and if the LEA are in breach and your able to take legal action. I know the difficulty can be cost of a solicitor, but if your on income support or a low income, you can get Legal Help, not Legal Aid, it is specifically for SEN. If you find a suitably qualified solicitor specialising in SEN, they will know all of this. I am also aware of a group of trainee barristers and newly qualified solicitors who donate their time pro bono to help in cases such as this. Get a Solicitor, its the only way the legal statement can be enforced correctly.

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Sorry to disagree, welshmammy, but in the vast majority of cases, there is no need for a solicitor. In fact, I can't think of anyone either on the Yahoo AS group or locally who has used one.

 

At any rate, in this instance, it isn't the LA which seems to be the issue, but the school which seems quite content to divert (ok, share) funds which should be going solely towards that child, so a solicitor is definitely not the answer. TBH, I reckon that once they have been pulled up on this, the school may well fall back in line anyway. ;-)

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Correct Bookworm :D

 

After my meeting with the head & deputy on Thursday, which went really well I must say, I am now feeling much more satisfied with what they told me.

 

My daughter is definately getting 15 hours individual help per day, from 9 until 12 noon, she may not feel it is individual due to the fact that she is still in her regular classrooms with other children at the table, but as the head said, it would not be viable to take my child out of class to work soley with her, on her own, for 15 hours a week, she would not get any benefit from this and would probably start to feel excluded from her friends & classmates, which I must say I do agree with.

 

They broke down in detail the help that she is getting with her SEN teacher, which covers the individual points on her IEP, then in addition to that she is receiving 3 x 1 hourly sessions of speech & language per week, with the new S&L lady (I hadnt been told that they had appointed a new one).

And then any groupwork that she does receive, with 2 or 3 other children, is in addition to the statement.

 

They heard all of my points, they asked me what my concerns were etc, they went through every one of her subjects with me and told me what they were going to be working towards, and gave ideas of what i could do at home.

 

Her renewal is due in the last week of Novemeber so hopefully the statement will be continued in its current form, as we still havent heard anything from the Doctors regarding the tests for Dyslexia.

The school have not received the Doctors letter as of yet either.

 

I think I did jump to conclusions somewhat due to what my child had told me, even though I did ask her the same question in several different ways, but thankfully it has been ironed out now and I do feel better for questioning it in the first place with the school as I now know a lot more information about the work she is doing at school, whereas before I didn't.

 

Thanks for all of your replys.

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Pleased that this is sorted...

 

for what its worth - I dont think you jumped to conclusions. Ultimately, you are not there. You can only go on what your child is telling you - and the school had opportunity to clarify and had not until this point.

 

The important thing is that your daughter is getting everything she needs and is entitled to.

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I was just reading this thread as I work in this area. It is unfortunately the case that although the statements for children with SEN are legally binding and the school have to provide what the statement sets out - there is in fact NO additional funding for schools to provide these services. Each school has an SEN budget which is used for pupils at School Action and School Action Plus AND for statemented children. The more statements AND other special needs - the wider the same pot of money gets stretched. This is why schools do not welcome SEN statements or seek them out - as they used to when they automatically received the funding to implement the recommendations included in the statement.

 

Usually, in the current setup, a school will only press for a statement if they believe that the statement will name a different, special school as being the appropriate place of education. If this is not the case, they are effectively tying their own hands behind their backs for no benefit to themselves.

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