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Quick question...i was in a mcdonalds in hull last week and noticed that the car park had a 1 hour parking restriction (i used to work in that very restaurant several years ago) anyway when i was in there i asked an employee what the procedure for staff parking was (i presumed a permit would be used) , she explained that no one has yet been clamped/fined by the external carpark control company.

 

So anyway should that girl finish a shift and find a ticket or clamp, would that fact she worked at the building be a reasonable defense and if not would the manager of the restaurant be able to overturn the clamp/fine for her?

 

How is this dealt with normally?

 

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The private parking companies are employed by the landowner at the end of the day, so whoever's in the best position to tell the landowner to tell the clamping company to release the car would have to do so.

 

There's no guarantee though and in the worst case scenario, you'd be left to your own devices to either get the clamp off or pay and sue the landowner and PPC.

 

Private parking companies cannot fine people, so it's irrelevant whether they can get anyone to cancel the ticket or not - you just wouldn't pay.

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So if these private parking companies have no power to fine people then why does the DVLA release the details of the registered keeper of a vehicle?

 

Why don't they simply change the law so that only LAs, the police and official government agencies can be provided with info.

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So if these private parking companies have no power to fine people then why does the DVLA release the details of the registered keeper of a vehicle?

 

Why don't they simply change the law so that only LAs, the police and official government agencies can be provided with info.

Oh we wish - but the DVLA can think of around £9 Million reasons for this not to happen. :evil::grin:

 

However a lot of the requests made to the DVLA are not compliant with the regs as they stand. The Landowner has to authorise and engage a car parking firm. It cannot be done by leaseholder.

 

It is therefore in your interest to perform a Freedom of Information on the details of the PPC's request, their reasons for it and the supporting information. If the reasons are inappropriate you have grounds for a complaint to the DVLA and the Information Comissioner.

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The DVLA sell details to anyone with 'reasonable cause'.

 

The term is so vague, anybody can get hold of the details for £2.50 for whatever 'reasonable' reason they can think of.

 

Obtaining the owner's details is pretty pointless anyway. They only want the address so they can send their threatening letters somewhere. Any alleged contract is between the company and the driver, and the owner is under no obligation to tell them who was driving at the time.

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when did the keeper of the vehicle agree that the dvla could sell what is in affect personal information to anyone it likes?

 

Ask that to the DVLA and they will answer (in your most Ray Winston bad boy impression) 'when you passed your test you muppet'!

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you don't need to invoke the fOI to get the details of the PPCs request. See the V8888/2 form on the DVLA website (form lined on DVLA page below) . ask for all the information not just the request itself (which is very likely electronic so you wonlt actually get that. But make sure you get ALL the supporting documentation that you are entitled to. How to request information from DVLA records : Directgov - Motoring and see this FAQs - PPCs - fighting back. The forces are aligned

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It doesn't have to be a parking company engaged by the landowner, who obtains the details.

I recently had a case of someone who occasionally parked a very large motorcycle in front of my lockup - the motorcycle was chained up, so I/we could not move it.

I wrote to DVLA, enclosing the fee of £2-50, and told them why I needed to contact the owner, and that I owned the lock-up, which I do.

They sent the details, and I contacted the owner, [i should say that I was polite, and did not try to extract a "fine" [grin]]

After all, he could be a lot bigger than me!

Problem resolved - it seems that he had permission to park it in front of a lock-up, but it was 12, not 42.

So the system does have a useful side, provided that it is used correctly, and not by a bunch of thugs!

Both the owner and I benefited, as it happens, I got access to my lock-up, and as I used to own a similar model of machine, I gave him some spare parts, and a manual for it!

All of these are on behalf of a friend.. Cabot - [There's no CCA!]

CapQuest - [There's no CCA!]

Barclays - Zinc, [There's no CCA!]

Robinson Way - Written off!

NatWest - Written off!

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Because - if you ignore private parking companies - sometimes perfectly reasonable and genuine reasons for others to need the information.

 

"Perfectly reasonable and genuine" reasons must be so few and far between I would agree that the scales of probability should be tipped the other way. i.e. Yes, the DVLA should have a mechanism for accepting the request, but the default answer should be "No" unless there is a demonstrated need to contact the REGISTERED KEEPER because you have a real reason to speak to them.

 

In the example below sameagle demonstrated a direct need to contact the RK because clearly the RK had the power to arrange the moving of the motorbike. PPCs do not demonstrate an on-going need to speak to the RK as obviously any trespass or contravention of their made up rules has long since passed.

 

I recently had a case of someone who occasionally parked a very large motorcycle in front of my lockup - the motorcycle was chained up, so I/we could not move it.

I wrote to DVLA, enclosing the fee of £2-50, and told them why I needed to contact the owner, and that I owned the lock-up, which I do.

 

btw sameagle, wouldn't a note left on the bike asking him to contact you have been quicker and cheaper in the long run though?

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