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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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Quick question...i was in a mcdonalds in hull last week and noticed that the car park had a 1 hour parking restriction (i used to work in that very restaurant several years ago) anyway when i was in there i asked an employee what the procedure for staff parking was (i presumed a permit would be used) , she explained that no one has yet been clamped/fined by the external carpark control company.

 

So anyway should that girl finish a shift and find a ticket or clamp, would that fact she worked at the building be a reasonable defense and if not would the manager of the restaurant be able to overturn the clamp/fine for her?

 

How is this dealt with normally?

 

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The private parking companies are employed by the landowner at the end of the day, so whoever's in the best position to tell the landowner to tell the clamping company to release the car would have to do so.

 

There's no guarantee though and in the worst case scenario, you'd be left to your own devices to either get the clamp off or pay and sue the landowner and PPC.

 

Private parking companies cannot fine people, so it's irrelevant whether they can get anyone to cancel the ticket or not - you just wouldn't pay.

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So if these private parking companies have no power to fine people then why does the DVLA release the details of the registered keeper of a vehicle?

 

Why don't they simply change the law so that only LAs, the police and official government agencies can be provided with info.

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So if these private parking companies have no power to fine people then why does the DVLA release the details of the registered keeper of a vehicle?

 

Why don't they simply change the law so that only LAs, the police and official government agencies can be provided with info.

Oh we wish - but the DVLA can think of around £9 Million reasons for this not to happen. :evil::grin:

 

However a lot of the requests made to the DVLA are not compliant with the regs as they stand. The Landowner has to authorise and engage a car parking firm. It cannot be done by leaseholder.

 

It is therefore in your interest to perform a Freedom of Information on the details of the PPC's request, their reasons for it and the supporting information. If the reasons are inappropriate you have grounds for a complaint to the DVLA and the Information Comissioner.

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The DVLA sell details to anyone with 'reasonable cause'.

 

The term is so vague, anybody can get hold of the details for £2.50 for whatever 'reasonable' reason they can think of.

 

Obtaining the owner's details is pretty pointless anyway. They only want the address so they can send their threatening letters somewhere. Any alleged contract is between the company and the driver, and the owner is under no obligation to tell them who was driving at the time.

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when did the keeper of the vehicle agree that the dvla could sell what is in affect personal information to anyone it likes?

 

Ask that to the DVLA and they will answer (in your most Ray Winston bad boy impression) 'when you passed your test you muppet'!

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you don't need to invoke the fOI to get the details of the PPCs request. See the V8888/2 form on the DVLA website (form lined on DVLA page below) . ask for all the information not just the request itself (which is very likely electronic so you wonlt actually get that. But make sure you get ALL the supporting documentation that you are entitled to. How to request information from DVLA records : Directgov - Motoring and see this FAQs - PPCs - fighting back. The forces are aligned

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It doesn't have to be a parking company engaged by the landowner, who obtains the details.

I recently had a case of someone who occasionally parked a very large motorcycle in front of my lockup - the motorcycle was chained up, so I/we could not move it.

I wrote to DVLA, enclosing the fee of £2-50, and told them why I needed to contact the owner, and that I owned the lock-up, which I do.

They sent the details, and I contacted the owner, [i should say that I was polite, and did not try to extract a "fine" [grin]]

After all, he could be a lot bigger than me!

Problem resolved - it seems that he had permission to park it in front of a lock-up, but it was 12, not 42.

So the system does have a useful side, provided that it is used correctly, and not by a bunch of thugs!

Both the owner and I benefited, as it happens, I got access to my lock-up, and as I used to own a similar model of machine, I gave him some spare parts, and a manual for it!

All of these are on behalf of a friend.. Cabot - [There's no CCA!]

CapQuest - [There's no CCA!]

Barclays - Zinc, [There's no CCA!]

Robinson Way - Written off!

NatWest - Written off!

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Because - if you ignore private parking companies - sometimes perfectly reasonable and genuine reasons for others to need the information.

 

"Perfectly reasonable and genuine" reasons must be so few and far between I would agree that the scales of probability should be tipped the other way. i.e. Yes, the DVLA should have a mechanism for accepting the request, but the default answer should be "No" unless there is a demonstrated need to contact the REGISTERED KEEPER because you have a real reason to speak to them.

 

In the example below sameagle demonstrated a direct need to contact the RK because clearly the RK had the power to arrange the moving of the motorbike. PPCs do not demonstrate an on-going need to speak to the RK as obviously any trespass or contravention of their made up rules has long since passed.

 

I recently had a case of someone who occasionally parked a very large motorcycle in front of my lockup - the motorcycle was chained up, so I/we could not move it.

I wrote to DVLA, enclosing the fee of £2-50, and told them why I needed to contact the owner, and that I owned the lock-up, which I do.

 

btw sameagle, wouldn't a note left on the bike asking him to contact you have been quicker and cheaper in the long run though?

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