Urgent advice needed please.........residents parking permits & landlords!

[Melly31]

Hi, I have a friend who lives in Canada, she ownes 2 properties in England, 1 of tenants has done a bunk owing her rent & she was here for her mums birthday anyway so I've been helping her sort out house & find new tenant etc (she's only here for 10 days).

 

Today we're at house cleaning, there's also a tiler doing bathroom (charging her extra of course for Sunday service), my friend (the owner of the house) & the tiler go outside to find they each have a parking ticket as its resident parking only! (My friends car is a hire car, tilers is a small van with logo on side)

 

Please bare in mind that there is a letter to 'occupier of house' from council stating that they are going to introduce residents parking on that street enclosing an application form (no date on letter) & tenant only left property 5 weeks ago; so letter is less than 5 weeks old! (& no i didn't notice sign at end of st before, we were slightly pre-occupied!)

 

My friend cannot actually apply for a residents parking permit as she does not reside at that property; neither can she apply for a visitors parking permit as again only the resident can apply for one!

 

There is no where else to park in that area (nearest car park is approx 1/2 mile), we are obviously going equipped with my carpet cleaner amongst other things.

 

Tiler wants my friend to pay for his ticket.

 

Each ticket is £35 (£70 if not paid within 7 days!)

 

I am shocked to say the least, my friend ownes the property, we need to clean it & can't park elsewhere & my friend can't even apply for a permit as she doesn't live in her property!?!?!

 

Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated as I'll be damned if she's paying these rediculous fines!

 

Mel

 

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[green_and_mean]

If the bay you was parked in was clearly marked as 'residents only' then you only have yourself to blame for the fine. In normal circumstances visitors would be given a permit by the householder but unfortunately in this instance as this was not possible you should have unloaded your tools and then parked legally in the car park. You are not obliged to pay the tllers ticket he parked his van in the street he to should have read the signs.

Having said that the bays need to be clearly signed and the PCN correct so if you post details you may get a lucky break and be able to appeal.

[lamma]

If this is NOT a council ticket then it is just a PPC Invoice.

And it sounds very much like it is a PPC ticket !!!

If so then the last thing it is is a "fine" or a "PCN".

G&M has jumped the gun and given advice couched in terms that only apply to real PCNS issued by councils - not this fake rubbish that PPCs dish out.

Read the stickies about PPCs and don't pay them a penny

[green_and_mean]

I was going on the fact that the OP said it was a Council permit scheme but the 7 days to pay is a bit confusing.

[lamma]

We will find out when the OP posts back (preferably with a picture of the ticket washed of personal details).

[Melly31]

Just at work at moment, tickets are at home, i will have a look & let you know about 1.30pm, I do know that there is a website address on the ticket, if that gives any indication?

PATROL Online

I'll post back about 1.30 & scan tickets for you, thank-you for advise so far.

I am still rather bemused as to why my friend cannot park outside her own property & also can't even apply for a permit!

[lamma]

looks like council then.

council permit schemes are notorious...

 

You may want to get the TRO.

[green_and_mean]

I am still rather bemused as to why my friend cannot park outside her own property & also can't even apply for a permit!

 

Because its a RESIDENTS permit scheme not a landlord permit scheme, the fact that your friend lives 3000 miles away from the property highlights the reasoning behind the policy.

[robin9342]

Each ticket is £35 (£70 if not paid within 7 days!)

 

This bit is interesting. If true, might make the tickets invalid.

[Melly31]

Because its a RESIDENTS permit scheme not a landlord permit scheme, the fact that your friend lives 3000 miles away from the property highlights the reasoning behind the policy.

 

Great thinking Batman, thanks for your useless input; reminds me of something my mum used to say........if you've got nothing interesting to say; best not say anything at all! (I asked for help not criticism!)

Just to clarify…..

If the owner was residing in the property they'd have a residents parking permit & a visitor one, so fact is there would be 2 less parking spaces anyway, I hardly see how this is causing other residents hardship? (& if the new tenant did drive they'd also take up 2 parking spaces!)

 

& yes I do think that this is ridiculous; especially as the person who is moving into the property is a very nice now homeless woman with 3 kids after she lost her home of 11 years due to her landlord being made bankrupt.

 

It's one thing the council demand a fine payment but they've done nothing for the new tenant in 4 months she's been homeless, she has to stay with relatives!

[green_and_mean]

I am still rather bemused as to why my friend cannot park outside her own property & also can't even apply for a permit!

 

Is what you asked and I answered it! Resident schemes are for those that live in the street not those that own the properties and live elsewhere. The fact that the owner lives in Canada surely makes it common sense that they do not need a permit to park in the street.

Your story does not even make sense you say you didn't have a permit because your friend is not entitled to one then go on to say you didn't see the signs or letter until after you got the PCNs. Did you apply for a temporary permit before you got the PCN I would guess not. Most Councils in this type of circumstance would issue a temporary or visitor permit if you explain the situation but from what you have written it seems you didn't bother asking.

[Melly31]

Is what you asked and I answered it! Resident schemes are for those that live in the street not those that own the properties and live elsewhere. The fact that the owner lives in Canada surely makes it common sense that they do not need a permit to park in the street.

Your story does not even make sense you say you didn't have a permit because your friend is not entitled to one then go on to say you didn't see the signs or letter until after you got the PCNs. Did you apply for a temporary permit before you got the PCN I would guess not. Most Councils in this type of circumstance would issue a temporary or visitor permit if you explain the situation but from what you have written it seems you didn't bother asking.

 

No that's not what I'm saying! Learn to read before you answer!

 

We HAD already seen letter stating that they were bringing in a residents parking permit scheme on that street, but as letter had only been sent in previous 5 weeks (& yes we didn't see sign at end of street which is 17 semi-detached houses away!) we actually thought that this scheme was still in the making so to speak!

 

So as we did not realise that the residents parking permit was in operation at this point, no funny enough we did not apply for a visitors parking permit-why would we?

 

Seriously though, if i need your advice again in the future I'll ask for it, until then go & find soemone else's thread to be useless on eh!

[Melly31]

Is what you asked and I answered it! Resident schemes are for those that live in the street not those that own the properties and live elsewhere. The fact that the owner lives in Canada surely makes it common sense that they do not need a permit to park in the street.

Your story does not even make sense you say you didn't have a permit because your friend is not entitled to one then go on to say you didn't see the signs or letter until after you got the PCNs. Did you apply for a temporary permit before you got the PCN I would guess not. Most Councils in this type of circumstance would issue a temporary or visitor permit if you explain the situation but from what you have written it seems you didn't bother asking.

 

 

We did read letter stating that they were going to introduce a residents only parking scheme onto that street; but as it was delivered within last 5 weeks we did not think that it was in force yet!

 

We didn't however see the sign situated 19 semi-detached houses away though! (Sorry but some of us do have more pressing things in life to focus on!)

 

No we didn;t ask council for visitors parking permit, cause hey guess what........we didn;t know that the residents parking was in operation on that street yet!

Edited July 22, 2008 by MARTIN3030
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[MARTIN3030]

Please can we get back to the main issues without the personals ?