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    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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I just popped into my favourite kebab shop earlier (00:10 am) and parked in a car park, I missed the sign that says 24 hour pay and display and come back to my car 10 mins later (... yes at 10 past midnight) and I had a PCN on the drivers window...

 

I could not believe it and I havent got a clue how the guy caught me at this time of night and also how I didnt see him... I am really worried because I bought the car a month ago and still have not had the logbook for it, I have green slip and DVLA said thats all I need and should send off a v62 for a new one, but at the moment the car is still not registered to me, which in a way is good.

 

My problem is do I ignore it and wait for them to contact me in a years time asking for £10'000's of write to them?

 

I am going to get some pictures now but still cant believe someone stands around a car park at this time of night.

 

Help... please :-)

 

Thanks in advance

 

Kevin

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Forgot to add, I was issued a Parking Charge Notice by Excel Parking Services Limited it says time seen 1200 and issued 1210, I dispute his timings too.

 

The ticket has a contravention code 94, parked without displaying a valid ticket/permit

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URGENT!!!

Sorry but I have noticed a flaw with the ticket, I have uploaded the picture ----HERE---- and Im not sure if i am right in this so i need someone to clarify, the time says 1200 hrs and 1210 hrs, so that really should say 0000 hrs and 0010 hrs shouldnt it? so If I return to the car park during those times wouldnt I be able to buy a ticket and post it in saying I was parked and displaying a ticket during those times and take a photo?

 

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Hi Trubster,

was this a private car park or council? If private I wouldnt even entertain them with a response, the onus is on them to prove you was the driver at the time, even so, I agree having looked at the PCN you posted the time states --:--hrs not am/pm. So what they are saying is, the time he issued the PCN means you was there lunch time not midnight a 12hr difference?. I dont think the muppets they employ have met the challenge of reading the 24hr clock yet. He probably went by Mickey Mouses big hand and little hand on his watch ;-)

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Hi Trubster,

 

I've looked at your ticket that you have scanned in. This is a private ticket, not council. It is therefore to all intents and purposes unenforceable - see linked guide to Private Parking Companies

 

Either ignore completely or use the template letters in replying to any correspondance. Do not instigate correspondance, let Excel contact you. It costs them £2.50 to obtain your details from DVLA, let them incur this cost.. I don't see Excel taking anyone to court any time soon, they got a bloody nose last time they tried.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/65341-private-parking-companies-charges.html

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/119802-private-parking-tickets-template.html

 

Judge quashes £300 parking fine...because it set out to ‘frighten and intimidate’ driver | Mail Online

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Thanks for replies, but the problem is, it will cost more than £2.50 because my name isnt with the dvla, it is in the previous keepers name as the log book has been lost in the post, I still have the green slip so the dvla said I am covered with that and need to apply for a v5 but havent bothered yet.

 

Would you recommend getting a ticket anyway to prove that I was actually covered for the alledged time and send it to them or just leave it.

 

Sorry, just to make it clear... this was issued by the ever popular EXCEL Parking Company... lol, very famous on here

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The problem I can see is that in that case, when they get the details, they will get the details for the previous owner, and he will get the harassment and the threats, and if he's not as clued up as you are, he may pay, feeling - quite rightly - hard done by for being hounded for something he didn't do, but being misinformed enough to pay up rather than beign "taken to court" "getting a CCJ" and other threats. Now you and I know that he could fight this, but he wouldn't necessarily, and we all know that they make a lot of money precisely because people don't know to stand up to them.

 

Morally, I think you have an obligation to wave your arms high up and say "Yoo-hoo, bully boys, over HEEERE! Come and get me if you can!" rather than letting the poor guy who's done nothing and won't know what's hitting him get the rap for your actions. Don't you? ;-)

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I would photo copy it and keep the original ;-)

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Hi again everyone, I sent off the ticket and invoice (Both originals) and kept copies of them and sent to ex-hell.

 

I confirmed in the letter that I was owner and my vehicle was parked there (Did not admit I was driver) but they sent letter back saying get lost and changed the time to 0010 rather than 1210.

 

What should I do now, just go down the template GET ****ed line or query the time quoted on the letter?

 

Any help gratefully recieved...

 

Thanks in advance

 

Kev

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Bookworm was right in that you had a moral right to protect the original owner from these [problematic].

 

However, I would not have provided the originals. Always provide a photocopy to them. The ticket you have provided shows you know the driver (albeit 12 hour difference).

 

Ensure the original owner is fully aware of the position if possible and don't respond to them further unless you receive a summons (highly unlikely). All other letters should be ignored.

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Just because you know who the driver is does not mean you are compelled to tell them. There is no statute backing to force you to do this.

 

This is a civil case. The ticket amounts to an invoice for an alleged breach of contract. They have to prove a contract was established with the driver and then prove the amounts being claimed aren't penalty charges, illegal under case law, and are unfair under the Unfair Terms in Contracts Act. The RK cannot be made a party to a contract without their explicit consent.

 

The fact that they have issued a corrected invoice illistrates the difference between the private parking process and the decriminalised parking enforcement process. If a PCN issued under the DPE regulations had contained errors of the type described it would have been dropped as it cannot be altered after its been issued.

 

The OP might want to have a read of this article to see what happened the last time they tried to get these charges enforced in court. :D

 

Judge says Excel parking fines illegal - Mansfield Chad

 

They'll bluster and threaten but they know thei business model is flawed. I would ignore any further drivel short of court papers.

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You're getting too far into this.

 

You have just received an unenforceable piece of tat. There is no 'appeals process'. There is no reasoning with these crooks. It's a [problem]. Private companies have no legal powers to demand financial penalties. They rely on you not knowing this and caving in to their threatening letters.

 

• Do not pay

• Do not contact them

Ignore any letters you receive, no matter how threatening

• They will not take you to court

 

The owner is irrelevant - they have paid for an address from the DVLA and don't care who's doormat it lands on as long as it is paid.

 

Ignore the scamsters and get on with your life. They are powerless.

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Thanks once again for all your great advice, I have since recieved the V5 so now I am safe in the knowledge that its only my door they will be knocking on.

 

I am unsure if I should respond to this letter and telling them to get lost or just completely ignore them and get debt collectors involved, cant I just say in a letter **** off and if you want to take this further take me to court but dont write / contact me further.

 

Thanks

 

Kevin

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Completely ignore them. A letter tell them to see you in court won't work because they won't take you to court and instead know you're getting rattled. Someone getting rattled might crack and pay up eventually, so the letters will go on for longer.

Chances of them knocking on your door are slim (the petrol cost alone on the off chance you're in means it's not a lucrative business practice).

 

I'd just ignore them Kevin. File any letters away in a drawer.

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Thanks once again for all your great advice, I have since recieved the V5 so now I am safe in the knowledge that its only my door they will be knocking on.

 

I am unsure if I should respond to this letter and telling them to get lost or just completely ignore them and get debt collectors involved, cant I just say in a letter **** off and if you want to take this further take me to court but dont write / contact me further.

 

Thanks

 

Kevin

If you want to write I'd suggest you use the template letters in the stickies section. They can be modified as appropriate. They also contain a number of paragraphs for dealing with either the threat of/ or actual debt collectors.

 

OFT guidelines state that a disputed debt should not be referred to a DCA.

 

Unlike Al I would write one letter using the templates telling them the debt is disputed and that you will not enter into any further communication with them unless it is to close the matter. Include a bit about not referring to DCAs.

 

After this I would ignore all correspondence from them short of court papers.

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OFT guidelines do say that. but this isn't a debt. it is only an alleged debt. world of difference.

 

But it is a small world.

 

A disputed debt is an alleged debt by definition.

An alleged debt could be but need not be a disputed debt.

 

Small world = small difference and not one that I would worry over!

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But if were crystallised in a judgement we would be saying "bailiff" not "debt collector".

 

Therefore a "disputed" debt must be something short of a judgement, ie where one party alleges the debt exists and the other party insists it does not.

 

My head hurts - does this really matter?

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yes - unless it is crystallised there is no debt.

 

so contact should be made by a "Not a debt collector"...

 

just boolean.

 

in english - as there is no debt what is a debt collector doing getting involved ?

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