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    • it is NOT A FINE.....this is an extremely important point to understand no-one bar a magistrate in a magistrates criminal court can ever fine anyone for anything. Private Parking Tickets (speculative invoices) are NOT a criminal matter, merely a speculative contractual Civil matter hence they can only try a speculative monetary claim via the civil county court system (which is no more a legal powers matter than what any member of Joe Public can do). Until/unless they do raise a county court claim a CCJ and win, there are not ANY enforcement powers they can undertake other than using a DCA, whom are legally powerless and are not BAILIFFS. Penalty Charge Notices issued by local authorities etc were decriminalised years ago - meaning they no longer can progress a claim to the magistrates court to enforce, but go directly to legal enforcement via a real BAILIFF themselves. 10'000 of people waste £m's paying private parking companies because they think they are FINES...and the media do not help either. the more people read the above the less income this shark industry get. where your post said fine it now says charge .............. please fill out the Q&A ASAP. dx  
    • Well done on reading the other threads. If ECP haven't got the guts to do court then there is no reason to pay them. From other threads there is a 35-minute free stay after which you need to pay, with the signs hidden where no-one will read them.  Which probably explains why ECP threaten this & threaten that, but in the end daren't do court. As for your employer - well you can out yourself as the driver to ECP so the hamster bedding will arrive at yours.  Get your employer to do that using the e-mail address under Appeals and Transfer Of Liability.  
    • good you are getting there. Lloyds/TSb...i certainly would not be risking possible off-setting going on if a choice were there, but in all honestly thats obv too late now..., however..you might not never be in that situation so dont worry too much. regardless to being defaulted or not, if any debt that is not paid/used in 6yrs it becomes statute barred. you need to understand a couple of things like 'default' and 'default notice' a default is simply a recorded D in the calendar section/history of a debt, it does not really mean anything. might slightly hit your rating. the important thing here is a default notice , these are issued by the original creditor (OC) under the consumer credit act, it gives you 14 days to settle whatever they are asking, if you don't then they have the option to register a defaulted date on your credit file. that can make getting other credit more difficult. and hits your rating. once that happens, not matter what you do after that, paying it or not or not paid off or not, the whole account vanishes from your credit file on the DN's 6th b'day. though that might not necessarily mean the debt is not still owed - thats down to the SB date above. an OC very rarely does court and only the OWNER of a debt can instigate any court action (Attempted a CCJ) DCA's debt collection agencies - DCA's are NOT BAILIFFS they have ZERO legal powers on ANY debt - no matter what it's TYPE. an OC make pass a debt to a dca as their client to try and spoof people into paying through legal ignorance of the above statement. an OC may SELL on an old debt to a DCA/debt buyer (approx 10p=£1) and then claim their losses through tax write off and their business insurance, wiping their hands of the debt. the DCA then becomes the debt OWNER. since the late 70's dca's pull all kinds of 'stunts' through threat-o-grams to spoof a debtor into paying them the full value of the debt, when they bought if for a discounted sum (typically 10p=£1). you never pay a dca a penny! if read carefully, NONE of their letters nor those of any other 'trading names' they spoof themselves under making it seem it's going up some kind of legitimate legal 'chain' say WILL anything....just carefully worded letters with all kinds of threats of what could/might/poss happen with other such words as instruct forward pass... well my dog does not sit when instructed too...so... DCA's SOMETIMES will issue a court claim, but in all honesty its simply a speculative claim hoping mugs wet themselves and cough up...oh im going to court... BIG DEAL DCA - show me the enforceable paperwork signed by me...9/10 they dont have it and if your defence is conducted properly, most run away from you . however before they do all that they now have to send a letter of claim, cause the courts got fed up with them issuing +750'000PA speculative claims and jamming up the legal system. so bottom line is two conclusions.... if you cant pay a debt, get a DN issued ASAP (stop paying it!) make sure it gets registered on your file then it stops hurting your file/future credit in 6yrs regardless to what happens (bar of course a later DCA CCJ - fat chance mind!)  once you've a registered DN , then look into restarting payments if the debt is still owed by the OC, if SOLD to a DCA, don't pay - see if they issue a letter of claim (then comeback here!).        
    • Any update here?  I ask as we have someone new being hassled for parking at this site.
    • Any update here?  I ask as we have someone new being hassled for parking at this site.
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    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

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A professional organisation has a professional workforce.

 

If CAG set up a Credit Union...even by proxy

Methinks peeps would expect it to be administered by a fully accountable FULL TIME employed professional person/people...;)

 

 

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right back to reality!

 

Should we post a "vote with your feet" thread in each banks forum???

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Economies of scale play a part also.

A FULL TIME person's wages would have to be paid by the Credit Union Membership.

The question is...

Could that be done + STILL make it a financially attractive alternative to peeps Mainstream Banking, to encourage Membership??...:confused:

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Crikey I'm not suggesting CAG set one up. That could take at least 2-3 years

 

I'm suggesting that rather than recommend banks we tell members & the wider world that these 'new' CU's exist

 

Few people are yet aware that they can have much the same services from these CU's as they can from a bank

 

Also they aint' going to get ripped off as they do with banks

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right back to reality!

 

Should we post a "vote with your feet" thread in each banks forum???

 

Sounds like a plan, but be aware that this is just my opinion - CAG probably won't endorse it.

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Crikey I'm not suggesting CAG set one up...
Why NOT??...I have no objection to U being given the credit for having done so.

 

I personally think that it's a VERY good progressive idea.

It offers a 'One Stop' Consumer Service.

I think that it should at least be looked at for it's feasability.

 

Many of today's socially minded organisations/societies have started this way.

 

 

 

 

That could take at least 2-3 years...
HOW do U know that would be the timescale??...:o

I'm sure that there MUST be an 'off-the-shelf' template that could be obtained/followed?...:-?

 

 

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I think CAG should seriously look into this. Why do we put up with banks? because we have to! If we had a nationwide CU that was run ethicly and fairly, I know most people that visit this site will embrace it.

 

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I found this useful peice of information on penalty charges made by BW...

 

 

In a nutshell:

 

The banks will formally make their appeal on the UTCCR fairness issue tomorrow. The OFT may appeal on PIL but won't appeal on the penalty issue.

 

The Judge will now look at historical T&Cs and make a declaration on whether they are penalties or not during the next CMC on 7-8 July. The judge will make his rulings on a bank by bank, term by term basis. Because Nationwide T&Cs have not changed the judge will not consider them.

 

Also, in the same hearing he will decide whether his ruling that current T&Cs can be assessed for fairness also applies to historicals.

 

He said that any reccomendation to stayed litigation in the County Courts on the UTCCR fairness issue would only be made after the conclusion of the banks appeal.

 

Having said that the judge did seem very keen to keep things moving for the sake of a speedy outcome to the stayed cases. He was critcal of the OFT QC for having no idea when they will make their decision on fairness and urged them to hurry up. The FSA representitive also said the same. The OFT QC blamed the banks for the delay as they kept changing theit T&Cs and that of the eight banks they requested information from to be submitted by now, only 2 had.

 

Tomorrow the banks and possibly the OFT will submit their appeals. It is expected that the appeals will be heard in October/November.

 

Obviously this is not good news for people wanting their stays lifted soon. The only glimmer of hope is that that if he rules that the historical T&Cs are penalties, it could mean the claimant could seek an ''injunctive remedy' which means that the claimant could apply for an injuntion to prevent further charges being applied pending appeals.

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HOW do U know that would be the timescale??...:o

I'm sure that there MUST be an 'off-the-shelf' template that could be obtained/followed?...:-?

 

 

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Sounds like a plan, but be aware that this is just my opinion - CAG probably won't endorse it.

 

Should we ask BF ? It would be nice to have CAG backing (and this would make a very good news item should CAG pass this onto the press) now that would raise a few eyebrows in the banking industry no doubt

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extortionate petrol is definately hitting people in the pocket

that could be controlled at the drop of a hat it is speculators who are buying vast quantities uknown faces it is a possibility opec and goverments might halt the speculation but they know india and china have a large hand in all this as well and everyone is afraid to rock their boats

I see no problem in developing countries such as China and India demanding resources if they are able to pay for them. It's a buyer/seller market.

 

The extortionate prices are coming from the oil companies and investors themselves in a bid to make huge profits.

 

Much of the western world has done the same over the past centuries when using world resources (oil, gas, minerals, coal etc) to become developed nations and to now complain about others doing it is hypocrytical. Did they ever think about the ozone layer and global warming when they were chucking out clouds of smoke from huge chimneys?

 

History shows that the balance of power never stays in one location and this is the nature of the world. Countries grow and fall and others grow and fall and it continues.

 

My point is that every country should be able to develop the best they can and no-one should complain about it. After all, development brings many positive benefits for the people of the country and for the world economy, like being able to speak English in a Bangalore or Manila call centre, thus saving your western employers millions in costs (though most can barely put a good sentence together but that's not their fault).

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Why NOT??...I have no objection to U being given the credit for having done so.

 

I personally think that it's a VERY good progressive idea.

It offers a 'One Stop' Consumer Service.

I think that it should at least be looked at for it's feasability.

 

Many of today's socially minded organisations/societies have started this way.

 

 

 

 

HOW do U know that would be the timescale??...:o

I'm sure that there MUST be an 'off-the-shelf' template that could be obtained/followed?...:-?

 

 

...:)

 

This is not my 1st time of thinking along these lines.

 

I know the time-line because I have already spoken some months ago to a senior CU manager who sets them up & he told me they have to jump through many regulatory hoops before being authorised to take deposits. I was advised that it would take at least 2 years

 

As for CAG being one I have my doubts as the only national one I know of is that run by the police federation. There has to be a common bond between members & this usually means they either have to live in the approx area or have to be linked by their job so I doubt being members of a website qualifies;)

 

Also it will be much more convenient if members used their local CU where they would establish local contacts & be able to seek advice on a one to one basis

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Opening a credit union is incredibly complicated... i looked into it, and then looked out of it pretty quickly.

i will be off site for the next month or so. if you have any problems, feel free to report the post so a moderator can help you.

 

I am not a qualified or practicing lawyer.

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Why are members latching onto the idea of setting up a CU:confused: that's not what I'm suggesting at all

 

I'm simply proposing that instead of directing people to the least objectionable of the banks why don't we suggest they join their local CU

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Opening a credit union is incredibly complicated... i looked into it, and then looked out of it pretty quickly.

 

I also looked into it and it is hard, takes at least a year i was told ... i even looked at opening a private bank and that is even harder, with the funds as well, and i was told it takes 3 years (by the FSA).

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set up Co-op account should have welcome pack in 10 days.... put this on front page of CAG and ask Martin Lewis to promote on his many TV appearances... Call it talk with your feet...

 

publicity means numbers

and it is numbers that force change

 

MP's , banks, CRA's , any company will only listen and make changes if their are massive numbers requesting change... This site has a great oppurtunuty to make change... somebody needs to Co-ordinate and use the front page to publicise. If CAG asked for donations to set up Credit unions, create pulicity or take FSA to court to lift waiver etc. I am certain many who could afford to would send donations. why not create a cause which ever is voted on , simple to set up blog vote on here I am sure, ie court action to lift waiver, petition to MP's , Fuel protest, which ever is felt is the most important initially etc etc , let people vote and then ask for donations to take it forward.....

Only direct action by the masses will work....

 

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set up Co-op account should have welcome pack in 10 days.... put this on front page of CAG and ask Martin Lewis to promote on his many TV appearances... Call it talk with your feet...

 

publicity means numbers

and it is numbers that force change

 

MP's , banks, CRA's , any company will only listen and make changes if their are massive numbers requesting change... This site has a great oppurtunuty to make change... somebody needs to Co-ordinate and use the front page to publicise. If CAG asked for donations to set up Credit unions, create pulicity or take FSA to court to lift waiver etc. I am certain many who could afford to would send donations. why not create a cause which ever is voted on , simple to set up blog vote on here I am sure, ie court action to lift waiver, petition to MP's , Fuel protest, which ever is felt is the most important initially etc etc , let people vote and then ask for donations to take it forward.....

 

That wouldn't work, IMHO.

 

Anyway, the ethos of this site is to help people to help themselves - we aren't here to do it for them.

 

If numbers talking would get results, surely the vast number of cases that have already been heard in the County Court - not to mention the current cases on hold - would have already achieved them, would they not?

 

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Welcome hat. ;)

 

I no the feeling I worked for Northern Rock.

 

At least when you tell evryone they say oh I never heard of those before.

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I think you will have to link to BBC reports

 

no more posting from those who attended.

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The Co-Op seem a fair bunch. I haven't heard too many complaints regarding them, and they've been fair to my parents for a long number of years.

 

If you have you wages paid into any of the offending banks, cease it immediately and have your wages paid elsewhere. If everybody does this, next time payday comes, the banks will notice a large drop in revenue.

 

If they challenge you on overdrafts, hold your ground and put the account into dispute. You only need to claim for 1 pound of unfair charges (which'll cost you 25 quid with MCOL) and they can't request any of the overdraft back until the outcome of the case is determined.

 

Therefore your overdraft will be frozen, whilst you skip of to another bank with your wages.

 

Maybe we should publish a dummies guide to p***ing of the big 8???

 

 

 

 

Are you seriously saying that if you owe £3000 say for example on an overdraft and you have one charge of £35.00 ( not sure there are any charges of £1.00 if there were we would not be claiming!) That you are advocating not repaying the overdraft and expecting the bank to freeze all further charges and interest just because of £35.00? You are saying they will not chase you for the monies or refer the case to a DCA?

 

Are you 100% sure of that before you recommend that on here - because once you get a bad credit history it is very hard to remove

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