H.O.L Test case appeal. Judgement Declared. ***See Announcements***

[citizenB]

Thanks for pointing that out photoman. Will have a good read of that later on.

[Castlebest]

Thought:

 

If the judgement is to be handed down on Thursday, then it is almost certain that the Banks lawyers have seen it already. I wonder if that contributed to the general tanking of bank shares yesterday?

 

just a thought

 

Dad

 

Your not suggesting that the banks old boy network would resort to insider dealing on the stock exchange are you?

[brown1950]

Yes it was agreed the Banks would be given advance warning of the Judge's decision.

[noomill060]

Gentlemen- start your engines...

[fergal71]

2 days ago I had a direct debit paid out of my account without any funds in.... guess what no £39 charge... I called and asked why I wasn't charged you should have heard the lady on the phone she was very confused and thought I was asking to be charged..... she then put me through to somebody very quickly who never really gave me much of an answer... bearing in mind I am waiting for approx £300 of same charges from same account to be returned pending the case result..... I asked had they received the decision ..... she said no.

 

I dont like reading into things but it does appear the banks are back tracking rapidly and staff havent got all the answers just yet...... roll on thursday .....

 

anyone who works for the banks have any insider info???????????????

[JonCris]

this wont happen for the simple fact is the goverment have already made a decision to remove the Freedom of Information Act ACT concerning NORTHERN ROCK and its data as being sensitive information,this will also effect the banks ALL BANKS from revealing sensitive information and since the GOVERMENT DECIDED TO CHANGE THE LAW this will set a precedent concerning the bank providing data in how they arrive at the charges,this has happened right under our noses and without so much as a whimper from joe public

 

imho

patrickq1

 

Good.......no info........they want to hide behind the FoI exemption.......then I'm gonna re-claim a squillion quid & let them prove different............estimated you understand:D

 

Seriously the only reason the Government would want to exempt NR is because it's a nationalised company those that aren't, like the other banks, ain't subject to the FoI

[car2403]

This is from MSE's weekly email;

 

Bank Charges Result Thurs & 2,000,000 Thanks!

Bank Charges Test Case Result Due This Thur 24 April. The result of the Office of Fair Trading and Banks' court case will be handed down on Thurs. This will answer whether it’s possible bank charges can be unlawful under unfair contractual terms rules. If they can, the OFT must then say whether they are unlawful, which it’s likely to do.

 

I thought this wasn't a foregone conclusion, though?

 

Can we make £2million in the next 24 hours? I'm off to the bar! (Maybe)

[patrickq1]

GOVERMENT DECIDED TO CHANGE THE LAW

yes jon without legislation,well looks like the select committee are again coming back to this and also the transparancey they will from what i can gather be looking at more data from NORTHERN ROCK and just what was involved and the letters that the fsa knew about a crisis long before it hit the fan as did BoE and MR BROWN ,so he may have to face the select committee to explain this ,if it does happen it will be unprecedented,so i await the select commottee report on this ,as for banks i beleive they get the deciscion today as being the advance notice prommised so by this eve we may get to hear rumors but as we all know not to be beleived until we see it all in print and again their will be an appeal proccess so it aint over till the fat mamma sings

patrickq1

[adamc6671]

Hi All

 

Have just read, on Martin Lewis' MSE site, that a decision from the Judge will come TOMORROW (24th April). This is what he's said -

 

" . . . Bank Charges Test Case Result Due This Thur 24 April. The result of the Office of Fair Trading and Banks' court case will be handed down on Thurs. This will answer whether it’s possible bank charges can be unlawful under unfair contractual terms rules. If they can, the OFT must then say whether they are unlawful, which it’s likely to do.

 

The impact on bank charges. If that happens the door for bank charge reclaiming should be reopened, hopefully with an easy system so people can get their money back. . . ."

 

Very much hope that he is right!

 

All the best - Adam.

[giantsf49er]

I was under the impression that we werent going to get a result until something like July? Wasnt it getting delayed? Or have I got two different things mixed up?

[JonCris]

We'll I heard NR is going bust...........again:D

[JonCris]

I also heard the Judge.........is going to order the banks refund the charges just before going on his hols.........so as to avoid the wrath of the bankers...........Of course not...a rumor......is a rumor.......is a rumor...on the otherhand.......if it's true;)

[nosnewois]

I also heard the Judge.........is going to order the banks refund the charges just before going on his hols.........so as to avoid the wrath of the bankers...........Of course not...a rumor......is a rumor.......is a rumor...on the otherhand.......if it's true;)

 

Maybe he has a claim pending too and he wants the money back before his holiday to use as spending money while he is there

[JonCris]

Would you believe it:eek: I've just been to The Shaggers Billet for a pint (used to be called the Prince of Wales before changing it's name to Red Ken) & I heard that too.......amazing

[patrickq1]

i hope so,then some un elected bod can get it stuffed up his a** NORTHERN ROCK should have been left to go bust ,and if one thing is for sure it would bring down this goverment and possibly cause a landslide throughout the banking industry as most of them are relying on the secret deals for finance from the BoE and they would have to come clean as it is no one has been transparent to date concerning figures all of this happened through creative accounting if you go back 5 years barclays have made in exces of 65bil yet they have no cash HALIFAX cannot even lend money on small loans upto 5 thou so it looks like halifax are sailing close to wind how many more,,,,,,

patrickq1

[andrewman]

Martin lewis says the OFT test case results are to be released on thursday 24th April, lets hope it is true and results are favourable.

[shammy36]

Fingers and everything else crossed mate

[Mister Twister]

I hope Martin is right (He is not always!).

 

The Judge said his announcement would be made on a Friday so the banks had the weekend to prepare so there must have either been a change of heart or the banks have known since last week!

[andrewman]

i hope what martin says is true. last i heard judge said that his ruling would make history whether that means we win or banks win i can only guess, also the banks wanted more time to think any decision against them over, maybe the banks have won if results are published on thursday. which ever way it goes we could lose out, if banks win we have to stop claiming and accept what ever they want to charge, if banks lose we could have to pay for all transactions done with the banks. only time will tell.

[sillygirl1]

From my understanding it is a three way split

 

1. Outright win for the OFT

2. Outright win for the banks

3. Compromise - ie SOME charges will be unlawful...

 

Gleaned from several newspaper reports this evening.

[nicsussex]

The Judge said his announcement would be made on a Friday so the banks had the weekend to prepare so there must have either been a change of heart or the banks have known since last week!

 

Not quite the case - the judge agreed to give both sides 48 hours prior knowledge of his judgement - so the banks do actually know as do the OFT and will have known from yesterday

[ncf355]

Roll on Midday

 

By then the news should have a full grasp

 

Fingers crossed folks

[Ladidi]

Banks are bracing themselves for losses...

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7362856.stm

[lickthewallfatboy]

maybe someone from the banks "in the know" might drop by and enlighten us.....

 

not likely!!

[breeze1996]

I joked with abbey today about another bank needing a loan to pay off bank charges and the girls behind the counter laugh and said Abbey had enough to pay the charges, not that they didn't know or that they were not going to pay....

 

She got a black look from her boss, and looked down quickly....