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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
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    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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Hi everyone,

 

I'm not sure if this is the right forum to post this on, but here goes...

 

I was issued with a fixed penalty notice by the Council for littering a few months ago which I (stupidly!) didn't pay on time as I was very short of money, and I have now received a summons for the Magistrates Court.

 

I'm not worried about this in itself as I will pay the fine, but I have been told I will have a criminal conviction, similar to if you go to court about motoring fines etc (I think). I have to have a CRB check for my job, and have also applied to do a social work course which will require a CRB check. I don't want this conviction to affect my job or anything... can anyone advise if there is a way I can persuade the Council to agree to let me pay the fine without going to court and getting the conviction?

 

I have spoken to the Council and they said that basically they are making an example of people who don't pay. I suppose that's fair enough and it's definitely my own fault, but I didn't realise this could end up in a criminal conviction.

 

Sorry about the gigantic post but if anyone has any advice I would be really really grateful...

 

Thank you

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Hi boo304

 

I went to the magistrates court last week with my son who had defaulted on a fine. He was paying it then got a job but had to work a month in hand so missed some payments. When he got paid he made up on the missed payments. He then came out of work and it has took a month for the Jobseekers allowance to come through.

 

He appeared last week and was told they were clamping down on fine dodgers. He explained his reasons but the magistrate said it doesn't matter and that they were going to send him to prison unless he could come up with the whole amount.

 

We had a quick word with the duty solicitor who said we had to pay all the money or he would go to jail. If he went to jail he would have a record but if we paid it now he would not and he would not have to declare anything in a job application.

 

I paid in full for him by cheque but was told by the magistrate that if the cheque bounced I would be in serious trouble. Gulp.

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Hi boo304

 

I went to the magistrates court last week with my son who had defaulted on a fine. He was paying it then got a job but had to work a month in hand so missed some payments. When he got paid he made up on the missed payments. He then came out of work and it has took a month for the Jobseekers allowance to come through.

 

He appeared last week and was told they were clamping down on fine dodgers. He explained his reasons but the magistrate said it doesn't matter and that they were going to send him to prison unless he could come up with the whole amount.

 

We had a quick word with the duty solicitor who said we had to pay all the money or he would go to jail. If he went to jail he would have a record but if we paid it now he would not and he would not have to declare anything in a job application.

 

I paid in full for him by cheque but was told by the magistrate that if the cheque bounced I would be in serious trouble. Gulp.

 

I find this appalling.We seem to be moving ever closer to debtor prisons last seen two hundred years ago.What next - deportation to Australia. Meanwhile I read that magistrates are told not to send shoplifters to jail because there is not enough room for them.It seems that if you are a pensioner unable to pay Council Tax, or a young lad struggling on minimum wages, there will always be a prison cell available.

In another thread on this forum, a care worker had a client fire a gun at her, and the police do nothing - obviously he wasn't a motorist.

Just what kind of society has this country become.

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I don't understand the world neither. If I do bounce the cheque I'm all up for being deported to Australia though. ;)

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My son had the misfortune of receiving a Fixed Penalty Fine for a Public Order Offence. He only earns 50 pounds per week and could not afford to pay. There were also circumstances which made a reasonable to defend this action so he submitted a defence. He had no legal representation as legal aid is not granted.

 

The CPS in their wisdom decided to make an example of him and go to trial. My son had never even received a caution before and the incident happened on his birthday. Anyway the police managed to gain a conviction against him and he was fined 125 pounds and given 495 pounds costs.

 

Well basically he cant pay this he does not earn enough to pay the fine. So I guess he is going to Prison as I cannot afford to pay the fine for him. I am so angry. I have no convictions either but I think I will be driven to crime by my hatred of the establishment!

 

Let them send us all to prison then:mad:

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Hi boomerang guy and welcome to cag :)

You can get in touch with your local magistrates courts and ask for an appointment with the fines officer. If you speak to them early enough they can sort out a payment plan or even change the fine to 'community service' or whatever they are calling it now 'un-paid work'

My son left it too late for these options. Good luck

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We could not get any Legal Aid last time for the first hearing so I doubt on appeal any legal aid would be granted. The cost of defending the case far outweighed the fine.

 

They threatened him he is going to jail! even though he offered to do community work. I have lost all faith in legal system

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