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    • In the autumn of 2020, I decided to change energy supplier from British Gas to EDF. This went through with no apparent problem but after approximately two weeks, I received a letter from EDF saying "Sorry you're leaving us". I contacted EDF to say that I was not leaving and was told not to worry about it, that they would resolve it and to carry on with monthly payments to EDF.    Approximately 2 weeks later, I received a text message from EDF to say, "Sorry you're leaving us". I contacted EDF again to say I was not leaving and was again told not to worry and that they would sort it out. Two weeks later I had a third message, "Sorry you're leaving us...". I contacted EDF again, but this time raised a complaint because it was becoming stressful and annoying. I asked them to explain why this kept happening. After some investigation by EDF, I was told that Scottish Power was trying to "erroneously take over" my gas supply. I confirmed that I wanted to remain with EDF and did not want to move to Scottish Power. I was advised to forward any bill sent by Scottish Power to EDF so that they could deal with it, and not pay it. However, I have never received any bill from Scottish Power until July 2022.   I was then contacted again by EDF to say that Scottish Power was trying to take over my supply because my gas meter was registered at my neighbour's address, on the energy suppliers' national database. I requested that EDF change the details for me so that I could remain an EDF customer but was told that only the existing supplier could change the details and that I would have to contact Scottish Power and request that they change the details. I reminded EDF that I had never asked Scottish Power to supply me and that as my current provider, EDF should take on this responsibility, but I was told on a number of occasions that EDF could not do this and that I would have to contact Scottish Power myself.   I have since learned that I should never have been told this. Ofgem states that if a supplier tries to erroneously transfer a supply, the two suppliers involved should communicate with each other to resolve the problem as soon as possible, and not involve the consumer. However, this is where the real problems started. I contacted Scottish Power at least 20 times over the course of 2 months, by email, online chat and telephone and spent a considerable amount of time trying to resolve this issue. The main problem was that Scottish Power refused to discuss it with me because "I did not have an account with Scottish Power". I explained on numerous occasions that I did not want an account with Scottish Power and that I just wanted them to change the location of my gas meter on the national database, but they persistently refused. Scottish Power was generally very poor at contacting me, I was doing most of the running. My neighbour, who is supplied by Scottish Power and has been for many years, said that this has been an issue in the past but Scottish Power has never resolved it. He said that when I asked EDF to take the supply back from Scottish Power, his supply was also erroneously transferred to EDF against his wishes, causing even more problems. During this occasion, Scottish Power compensated my neighbour but still refused to assist me.   I have evidence of some of the correspondence between me and Scottish Power but not all because much was over the phone and on online chat. Each time I contacted Scottish Power a new member of staff dealt with it and so they had to record the same notes each time, considerably lengthening the process. I asked if Scottish Power could allocate someone to own the complaint but because I did not have an account with Scottish Power, this was not an option. After numerous emails to Scottish Power from my neighbour, who was trying to assist with the situation - sending his meter details, my meter details and asking that the database be updated with my address - he was asked to send photos of my meter to Scottish Power. I had already been asked this by Scottish Power and had duly sent them but received no response. My neighbour then forwarded the photos by his email to Scottish Power and they replied asking him to ask me to re-send the photos directly, which I did for a second time. This was the last correspondence I had with Scottish Power about the matter. They did not contact me again.   EDF contacted me to say that they had concluded the matter from their end and requested that they close the complaint, to which I agreed. A meter reader visited sometime after to read both meters and I (naively) assured myself that the details had been changed and that EDF had resumed supply. My bill increased, and my meters were then routinely read by a visiting meter reader every quarter. My last correspondence with Scottish Power was on 9th November 2020, when I emailed the photos of my meter for the second time.   Twenty months later, towards the end of July 2022, I was on holiday with my family. I came home on 13th August to find 6 letters on the doormat from Scottish Power demanding £2134.89 for gas supply. They are addressed to "The Occupier" so they have obviously not referred to my previous correspondence or attempted to ever resolve the initial request to change my details. This is contrary to recommendations made by Ofgem's "Erroneous Transfers" paper produced in 2016. One of the letters even says, "Welcome to your new home" as though they have no knowledge of the correspondence 2 years ago. I have received another bill from Scottish Power today demanding payment and threatening referral to a debt collection agency if it is not paid. The above Ofgem paper states that erroneous takeovers should be dealt with by the two companies concerned and not by the consumer at any stage. But in my case, it has been me doing all the running, all the phoning, emailing, talking online, etc. Neither supplier has really done that much and I believe that EDF should never have told me that I should try and resolve this with Scottish Power; and when I contacted Scottish Power, they should also have taken ownership of the problem jointly with EDF and resolved it directly with EDF.   I have taken legal advice and been advised that as this is a dispute between two energy suppliers rather than between myself and a supplier, it is more appropriate for me to contact both suppliers, summarise past actions undertaken by all parties, and request that the supply be transferred back to my original supplier. This sounds hunky dory but doesn't actually help. Two questions arise in my mind... 1. Do i have to pay the bill at all given that it is addressed to "The occupier"?  2. Should I provide my name in my complaint (not yet sent) or simply refer to myself as "The Occupier"? 2. I know I can refer to back-billing guidance but my instinct tells me I shouldn't have to pay any of this bill because the supply was taken over without my consent, I tried numerous times to resolve it to no effect, and was led to believe that I was then paying for the gas due to the actions of both companies. Does anybody think I have a case here and any suggestions about how to pursue it?   Many thanks if you have managed to read this far. Even more thanks if you have any advice :-)  
    • several other threads here too they will give up  just retail loss scammers, nothing ever goes back to the retailers anyway straight in their pocket straight down the pub!!   just like DCA's.   dont forget your cars v5c!! too   you MUST write to anyone one your credit file or banks etc, esp if you have debts that dont show that you might have last used/paid within say 7 yrs esle you'll get backdoor CCJ's.
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    • Yeah haha I had to do my drivers license literally last week, had completely forgot. Thanks DX,  that's great if they are powerless, but will they ever stop sending letters? I've gotten two just in the last month.
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I'd like some advice please. I have lots of debt left over from my student days. I was paying reduced payments for a few years, and they were reducing slowly. However, I dropped the debt managment company as they were charging a ridiculous amount of money which I wanted to use the pay of the debts. The creditors then got stroppy and started wanted to do detailed finiancial analysis on a regular basis, started adding on interest, demanding more money etc.

 

Around this time I got married and moved house. I decided not to tell them for a few weeks as I needed a break from the stress. Anyway, for one reason or another it has now been two and a half years. I have not contacted them, they have not contacted me.

 

I feel really bad about this, I know I should be paying them back. I am also having trouble avoiding credit checks, as I want to avoid linking my names and addresses.

 

Part of me wants to ride it out and wait until the debts have expired. Another part of me wants to pay everything off and start afresh. The problem is, I want to pay it off on my terms - i.e. pay each creditor of with a lump sum which I have saved up, rather than pay regular tiny amounts which don't even reduce the debt in any noticeable way.

 

Any words of wisdom would be greatly apprciated.

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Hi and welcome to CAG :)

 

Im not a debt expert but it might help if you give more details as to what the debts are and who they are to :)

 

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There's quite a big one to a major bank (cancelled my overdraft and forced me to convert it into a loan which I couldn't afford to pay back - around £3K) around £1k on an egg card, AA loan, around £1-2K, and two credit cards, £500 and £200. All unsecured. I feel really bad but I'm not even sure how much I owe to the bigger ones - hhave been a total ostrich!

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Debts become statue barred six years from when you last acknowledged them. I would keep a note of when you made your last payment on each of them. If you are approached by any DCA's never acknowledge the debt. You can always post again should you need any further information, but if you could read the forums you will find a lot of self help.

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Since its been at least 2.5 years since you acknowledged the debts then you have 3.5 years to wait till they become statute barred. If you contact them or they find you AND you make a payment this will start ticking at day one again. If they do find you then they will mark you credit file with the defaults and you won't get (decent) credit anyway.

 

If you really want to pay them off and you tell em where you are then they are gunna mark your credit file anyway for six years.

 

1 route maybe to go via a mailing address PO Box number and communicate via this and contact them 1 at a time and pay them off.. But don't give them 100% make them offers low at first and work up to a amount they will accept. Not sure about the legalitys of using PO Box numbers they can be traced but I think you need the police or a court to do this. but if its possible then you would hold the aces they cant threaten to scupper your credit rating and or visit you at home.

 

Its going to have to be your decision.....

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Thanks for the great advice everyone. I don't think the statute barred thing will apply, as I haven't given them my new address. I think I will contact them one at a time as and when I can afford to pay, but without given them new details - use a c/o address or something. I don't want to spend years worrying about them finding me.

 

Thanks again.

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