Lets ask Chief constables their Baliff policies.

[MARTIN3030]

Janet I think this is typical and is why this was mentioned.The reason for this therefore is to establish why they dont want to know ....yet will assist Baliffs to do their job on the assumption that cause its a Baliff they must have the powers to take what they wish.

As I see it theres nothing to lose by looking into it......but to do nothing means we wont know....The coppers have their work cut out dealing with people who cause upset to others as well as hurt......its not at all about having a go at them.....we could not live without them (although we could live without Baliffs )

By the way.......I would not even think of biting your head off.......unless there was good reason.......like playing Westlife songs .....or worse still going to the toilet when its your turn to get the round in.......;)Hmnnn the Serge said no checks are made in the pool ? .....very interesting......I am Sure you know what I mean lol.

 

Anyway Janet......people power can make a difference.

If you would have asked a bank manager 3 years ago if he would be prepared to refund a customers bank charges.......he would have laughed and said no way.

I remember my first wife calling the coppers everytime she went out with her mates and came home ****ed.....she would call the Police .............to get ME thrown out.........I didnt know that I was not on the tennancy agreement with the council.Despite my protests I was always told to go (walk round the block a few times and go back when she is asleep )......the point was that there was something she had to show them in writing.....and I could not argue with it.

I hope we can get the same stuff which supports the true facts (without the drunken wife ) to show the coppers who are called out in disputes with Baliffs.

[MARTIN3030]

If it doesn't matter where we write from I'll do a few, don't care which ones they are.

 

 

You can do your local Chris......Merseyside.I will keep hold of Lancashire.....this is the county St.Helens used to be under....We didnt get called Woolybacks in those days ha ha.

[ted45]

we live in lincolnshire and would like to join in

[chris600uk]

You can do your local Chris......Merseyside.I will keep hold of Lancashire.....this is the county St.Helens used to be under....We didnt get called Woolybacks in those days ha ha.[/quote

 

Well no-one knew the difference until the Scousers moved in:D

[NORTHERNGUY]

Sounds a very interesting point this - so many horror stories you read about , baliffs flexing there powers and the police just going along with it .I'm with everyone on this - I could do Northumbia or any other forces if it helps , once the official letter is drawn up , and it will be interesting to see how mush the chiefs differ!

[Guest vortex]

Martin, I tend to agree with Janet-M. The police usually would go with bailiffs to prevent a breach of the peace, and so their job is not to check the documentation on the bailiff.

It will be interesting to hear the responses regardless of my comments are above.

[The Watcher]

Martin, I tend to agree with Janet-M. The police usually would go with bailiffs to prevent a breach of the peace, and so their job is not to check the documentation on the bailiff.

It will be interesting to hear the responses regardless of my comments are above.

 

Please read the advice given by Devon and Cornwall police to their officers.

 

We live in ONE Country - with ONE law ... if one Constabulary can take its duty seriously then surely so can they all?

 

If a policeman helps a bailiff who doesn't have legal rights - they he could be assisting with committing a crime - it's as simple as that ! A bailiff who doesn't have a legal right - is no different to a thief or a burglar !

[The Watcher]

If it doesn't matter where we write from I'll do a few, don't care which ones they are.

 

I'm of the opinion that Chief Constables (responsibile to their local community / Police Authority) will take far more notice of a local request / enquiry - rather than one coming from another area.

[The Watcher]

If you would have asked a bank manager 3 years ago if he would be prepared to refund a customers bank charges.......he would have laughed and said no way.

 

The Government have been able to "force through" the new law - mainly because most people were totally unaware of the Bill and its implications.

 

When we collate all the information - and show the different standards being used in different Counties - the media could "jump on this" and generate an awful lot of publicity for us?

 

Remember how much publicity healthcare has had from the "postcode" lottery type publicity?

 

Image a story which says (for example) that if you live in Devon your rights will be protected by the police - but if you live in (say) the West Midlands the police will assist an unauthorised person with a break-in at YOUR house !

 

Can you imagine the impact on the bailiff industry IF they knew that the police WOULD ALWAYS check their status?

[harathoi]

Count me in for cambridgeshire..

 

i can hand deliver this one, so even saving my postage.. live across the street from the cambs HQ

[MARTIN3030]

List updated....thanks to all so far looking good.

I agree that a request made by someone local to their force area will invite better response.

Theres also the question of how we approach the request.For example if they are made aware that their responses are going to be used to collate a national picture...they may be less forthcoming.

I was looking at the ACPO website.....they have very clear policies on everyday issues....presumably these are discussed and implimented at meetings ?

Another contact I was thinking of writing to is the Police complaints commission to ask if they can give any figures on cases they have been asked to look into....and what the conclusions were.

[tonycee]

Thanks to all so far looking good.

 

Yes. Indeed. And thanks to your good self Martin.

 

 

For example if they are made aware that their responses are going to be used to collate a national picture...they may be less forthcoming.

 

Or completely the opposite.

 

Another contact I was thinking of writing to is the Police complaints commission to ask if they can give any figures on cases they have been asked to look into....and what the conclusions were.

 

Available under the freedom of information act ?.

[tomtubby]

As our company have dealt with hundreds of complaints about bailiff, it is a fact of life that we speak very often with police. This can be where a vehicle is being removed and the owner has called the police etc.

 

However, just a few weeks ago, 2 bailiffs managed to gain entry into a ladies house seeking payment of her ex-husbands debt. They refused to accept the fact that her husband had long ago moved out and said that they were going to remove good. She called our office and we made enquiries straight away and this showed both bailiffs as not having certificates. Due to the urgency we called the courts to clarify our records. These enquiries confirmed our records.

 

The lady in question called the police and asked if I would talk with them. I explained to both these police officers what our company do and explained the certification process. They requested the bailiffs to produce their certificates and both these bailiffs confirmed that they DID NOT have a valid bailiff's certificate.

 

Following this call, one police officer remained in the house and the other went outside to call his station. Following this call, he telephoned our office to tell me that his bosses had said that despite the lack of certification the bailiffs had a right to gain entry as the warrant itself gave the bailiff the right of entry to remove goods. He ORDERED the lady to pay the debt to avoid the goods being removed from the home.

 

The bailiff did not have a copy of the warrant either.

 

I found this situation an absolute disgrace and we are still awaiting responses from the police station concerned.

 

Sadly, from our companies experience, the police do not have a clue when it comes to bailiffs.

[sillygirl1]

That's a dreadful story, the woman had no rights to her ex husbands debts so she clearly now has a valid complaint against the bailiff company involved, the individual bailiffs involved (collecting without certification is THEFT) and the two police officers - are you advising her to do this tomtuby?

[Tau]

That is absolutely disgraceful.

I hope that the lady concerned is going to take this further.

[chris600uk]

despite the lack of certification the bailiffs had a right to gain entry as the warrant itself gave the bailiff the right of entry to remove goods.

 

Why would they think that?

 

What legal device can be quoted to counter a statement like that?

[tonycee]

Disgraceful is an understatement.

 

Its down to you and i to do whatever we can to ensure these stories become a thing of the past.

[GodI'mfedup]

I've only been here a short time but I could do Staffordshire police if you still need someone

[tonycee]

I've only been here a short time but I could do Staffordshire police if you still need someone

 

You bet. Thanks.

 

Martin will update the list later.

[chris600uk]

The decision in that case would seem to have been made by the Inspector in the incident room.

 

The only way to reach him and his colleagues to educate them and try to prevent this happening again (unless you've got his contact details), is through his superiors.

 

That's not going to be easy, it'll require a bloody good letter and a determined follow up strategy to achieve any result.

[The Watcher]

As our company have dealt with hundreds of complaints about bailiff, it is a fact of life that we speak very often with police. This can be where a vehicle is being removed and the owner has called the police etc.

 

However, just a few weeks ago, 2 bailiffs managed to gain entry into a ladies house seeking payment of her ex-husbands debt. They refused to accept the fact that her husband had long ago moved out and said that they were going to remove good. She called our office and we made enquiries straight away and this showed both bailiffs as not having certificates. Due to the urgency we called the courts to clarify our records. These enquiries confirmed our records.

 

The lady in question called the police and asked if I would talk with them. I explained to both these police officers what our company do and explained the certification process. They requested the bailiffs to produce their certificates and both these bailiffs confirmed that they DID NOT have a valid bailiff's certificate.

 

Following this call, one police officer remained in the house and the other went outside to call his station. Following this call, he telephoned our office to tell me that his bosses had said that despite the lack of certification the bailiffs had a right to gain entry as the warrant itself gave the bailiff the right of entry to remove goods. He ORDERED the lady to pay the debt to avoid the goods being removed from the home.

 

The bailiff did not have a copy of the warrant either.

 

I found this situation an absolute disgrace and we are still awaiting responses from the police station concerned.

 

Sadly, from our companies experience, the police do not have a clue when it comes to bailiffs.

 

Which surely just confirms that ANYTHING we do to make the police / public MORE AWARE of the issues is a benefit to all (except illegal bailiffs) ?

 

btw tomtubby - Which County did this happen in?

 

Perhaps we should use this example at the start of the letter - to show that through ignorrance (and bad advice from a senior officer) 2 police men actually assisted 2 con men (for that is what anyone claiming to be representing a Court who is uncertificated) to commit a crime?

[The Watcher]

Another contact I was thinking of writing to is the Police complaints commission to ask if they can give any figures on cases they have been asked to look into....and what the conclusions were.

 

Personally, I think we should collate the information first - and then go higher, when we actually have evidence that the law is ignorred or interpretted differently in differing Counties?

[MARTIN3030]

Yes prob right.

[Tau]

Any body fancy oranising a training session for the police about what bailiffs can and cant do by law Could make a few bob for CAG then

[The Watcher]

Any body fancy oranising a training session for the police about what bailiffs can and cant do by law Could make a few bob for CAG then

 

If they just read the advice issued by Devon & Cornwall police they would be a little enlightened !

 

Remind me, who was it that said "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"?