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    • not sure why you added the blue line I've highlighted? that's no in the we gave you.   as for your question... PRAC's roboclaim computer knows when the account was taken out, after all it raised the claim and checked everything carefully first before issuing the request via northants bulk courts equally inept roboclaim computer... 
    • I've been researching in preparation of compiling my particularised defence/WS.    I'm none too happy that some judges still seem to be siding with DCAs and seemingly brushing aside anything that we have assumed to be "necessary" for DCAs to have a winning case.    Reading a recent "summary" from another poster (another thread with case similar to mine - very old, illegible application form, no default notice, reliance on their own software to prove it was ever sent) and the judgment made in favour of the DCA and even suggesting that there was no "agreement with the DCA, they simply owned the debt, not the agreement"  Makes me very nervous.    Especially if cases like this will be judged on "probability" - the probability that if I signed the original application form, then I must have taken out the credit card and racked up the alleged debt as shown in statements enclosed in their WS (and dated some ten years later).   Is it ok to post some "evidence" I've found from elsewhere?    This is in line with my fears that regardless of how hard one tries to rebut the "lack of evidence" produced by DCAs for chasing these very old "alleged" debts, it does appear to come down to the luck of what judge you get on the day and how much they can be swayed by the DCA solicitor.    A quick Google search produced the following - from one case - this related to a credit agreement - which resulted in someone being made bankrupt - that person appealed the bankruptcy order on the grounds of defective credit agreement and default notice and this was the appeal judge's decision:   The necessary formalities for the entry into the regulated consumer credit agreement (which related to the debt in issue) were not complied with; The default notice served in respect of that credit agreement was defective.   The First Ground The Appellant argued that she did not receive the terms and conditions when she entered into the credit agreement and, accordingly, section 61 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 (“CCA”) had not been complied with and the agreement could not be enforced. The agreement had been entered in 1995 and, whilst it had provided a microfiche copy of the front page of the application, the Respondent had been unable to provide a copy of the terms.   Despite the terms not being produced, the District Judge had found that, in the circumstances, it was very likely that such terms existed and would have been provided to the Appellant when she entered into the Agreement. Mr Justice Mann held that this was a finding that the District Judge was entitled to make.   Further, Mr Justice Mann found that it was implicit from the District Judge’s findings that she considered that the terms and conditions not only existed but had been subscribed to by the Appellant’s signature and, consequently, the requirements of section 61 CCA were fulfilled. Mr Justice Mann held that this was also a justifiable finding which should not be interfered with on appeal.   The Second Ground The Appellant also argued that the default notice upon which the Respondent relied did not comply with the Consumer Credit (Enforcement, Default and Termination Notice) Regulations 1989 because it stated the full balance of the account rather than the total of the missed payments. The Respondent argued that, as a result of the missed payments, it was contractually entitled to the entire balance subject to the service of the appropriate notice, a requirement which was fulfilled by the default notice itself and, consequently, the sum required to remedy the breach was the entire amount.   Mr Justice Mann agreed with the Respondent and the District Judge, holding that: “If by the time the default notice is served circumstances have arisen which entitle the lender to recover not merely sums which might be regarded as arrears, by which I assume is meant accumulated minimum payments, but also the whole of the sum, then they are entitled to claim that sum, and the sum to require to remedy the breach for non-payment of that sum is the payment of the whole sum due. The bank is not confined, at that stage, to claiming merely the amount of arrears if it has an accrued contractual right to have the whole of the sum.”   Do judgments like these not mean that a lot of what you guys do on here (and for which I and many others are VERY grateful) somewhat redundant. What is happening to judges just accepting "well, the terms must have been there if you signed it" -    Feeling quite nervous now.
    • we know it wasn't done to avoid enforcement we understand completely. but that doesn't take from away the fact that it happened   you can't appeal the pcn's on the basis that 'it was not his vehicle to levy upon'. the law clearly states otherwise.          
    • here is a question for you, is yu house divided up into a retail/business area  and domestic area for business rates purposes? If not why on earth are you paying business water rates? ceertainly not for tax purposes as you can claim any legit expense without having to reclassify your home as a business premises. i would be stopping this nonsense and goping back to whatever water supplier is the domestic one for your area. there is stuff all they can do to get the £40 from you whan you do that.
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What should I be asking Marlin?

 

Sorry Phatram, it seems to me that when he got the charging order he was not in the know of how things should perhaps work. Not sure really, but the important point to me which may or may not apply to you is who actually owns the debt? It seems that when this fellow pushed and complained Marlin just 'assigned it back to MBNA' but wouldnt show any documentation to prove any of the assignments. Neither would they show results of their investigation. Which speaks volumes. Their bluff was called and they just handed it back. Someone somewhere was lying.

 

Sorry if it doesnt srticlty apply to you but it just jumped out at me as similar situations.

 

Should you be asking of proof of ownership of the debt perhaps? I am not very wise to this stuff yet so apologies if i am talking rubbish :-)

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Phatram, did you ever receive a letter from Marlins/MBNA advising that there had indeed been an assignment ?


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The ones I posted earlier in the thread.page 46 ? sorry im doing this on my phone not near pc.

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Erm, tis a long thread :lol: I will have a look back over the thread later on :)


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I've seen no proof of who owns the debt. As in the film .

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What should I do now? I don't think I should be ringing Restons, surely that is not a good idea?

 

Ok, well you did indeed receive notice of the assignment and as they claim to have all the rights and benefits, then they must be aware of the CCJ and CO.

 

You could if you wish write to MBNA's Head Office and ask what they are playing at. ? You could say you believe when they assigned the account they did not give the full circumstances of the account and that it was subjec to a CCJ and CO. That the new owner claim to know nothing of this and are trying to draw you into a situation that might make you fall foul of the court order.

 

You could send a copy of the letter to Marlin & Restons.

 

Head your letter to MBNA an official complaint - they are obliged to investigate within 8 weeks and if they dont, then you can take your complaint to the Financial Ombudsman.


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As you home is jointly owned they cannot force a sale. The charging order only entitles them to be notified if ever the house is sold.

Should you advise them of this after any proceeds have been disbursed that's hard cheese for them.

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The guy in the film says he wanted proof of the assignment. Think i will ask for that too.

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He says they have sold the promissary and the proceeds are his which is theft.

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Will someone please put the vid link in a sticky in the debt/dca forum.

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Will someone please put the vid link in a sticky in the debt/dca forum.

 

He also does a fantastic video on how the credit system works which is well worth 55 minutes of anyones time. I appreciate it has been done to death but it really comes across as clear to understand and can only be helpful when dealing with banks and dca's.

 

Here it is for anyone interedted.

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He says they have sold the promissary and the proceeds are his which is theft.

 

 

Sorry this is "promissary note" rubbish is from the Freedom of the Land crowd. You will NOT get to see the deed of assignment which is the contract between the seller and purchaser. You have received a Notice of Assignment which is acceptable.

 

The video will not be made a stikky !!


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Please be aware that people have taken this type of thing to court and lost big time.


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As you home is jointly owned they cannot force a sale. The charging order only entitles them to be notified if ever the house is sold.

Should you advise them of this after any proceeds have been disbursed that's hard cheese for them.

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This is correct, if it was a single debt then they should only have been able to obtain a restriction on that portion of the property that is the debtors.


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Sorry this is "promissary note" rubbish is from the Freedom of the Land crowd. You will NOT get to see the deed of assignment which is the contract between the seller and purchaser. You have received a Notice of Assignment which is acceptable.

 

The video will not be made a stikky !!

 

 

Sorry if this came across the wrong way, i was just trying to point the OP to the assignment paperwork mentioned in the video in case they were getting cheeky in that respect. I cant confess to knowing about freemen stuff but i just noticed the similarity in the Marlin/MBNA bits that Phatram has got going. Also to throw in their sending it back to MBNA kind of made me think can you actually trust anything they say?

 

Apologies if this has derailed anywhere, it wasnt my intention.

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This is correct, if it was a single debt then they should only have been able to obtain a restriction on that portion of the property that is the debtors.

 

Its my debt,nothing to do with my wife.

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Its my debt,nothing to do with my wife.

 

Then it is most unlikely they will be able to force a sale - even more unlikely as you have been paying the Judgment order.


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If you really feel the need to do anything, then follow the advice I gave you in post # 931 :)


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Cheers folks. I will pay my debt but hate being ripped off and harrassed by crooks. I fight back. :-):-):-)

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Letter from Restons wanting me to increase payments from £100pm. R Soles are they !

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Harrassment letter? Will post letter when my pc is repaired.

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Simply respond by saying that your circumstances have not changed and that you will continue to maintain payments as they are.


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They have got worse, hours cut at work. Wonder if they will let me pay less ha ha ha .

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If that is the case, then advise that whilst your situation has worsened, you are prepared to maintain the payments you have agreed.

 

If they continue with the harrasment, then send them the lesser amount !!


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I wish but the court agreed with my offer of £100pm.

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