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Yes I'm a statistic too, to my horror I decided to check my card licence and, yes my group A is gone. I have spoke to DVLA but getting the usual reply "prove it". I'm now digging up as much evidence as I can as I passed my HGV and full bike test at RAF Grantham July 84. Will now be asking DVLA for an (S.A.R.) Subject Access Request hoping this will jog their memory, I also don't believe they can lose this data. In the meantime has anyone been stopped by plod and whats the consequences.

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I was wondering if any one had any success from (SAR) to the DVLA.

As my partner passed his test HGV class 1 full entitlement and motor cycle in the RAF in 1985. But it was missing from his licence when updated for photo card in 2001. we have tried phoning the DVLA but they refused to acknowledge it was ever there they said he had to prove it to them by obtaining records from the RAF driving centre which is no longer in existence.

Also the green counter part is missing all the entitlements and does not match the photo card entitlements.

 

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I actually havent heard of anyone whos has been successful getting the dvla to reinstate missing categories, unless they have a previous licence that was not surrendered.

I am in the process of retaking my hgv.

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It is shocking how many people appear to be reporting this as a problem now and the DVLA seem completely unconcerned, simply saying "prove it and we'll put it back on". I took my car test in 1978 and motorbike test in 1979. What details do you think I hold or even remember about taking these tests?

 

It's rediculous that in the current climate of the government wanting to spy on everything from our movements with CCTV, to who we e-mail and which web sites we choose to visit, that they cannot even keep an accurate record of an official government sponsored test.

 

But as Wood73 has said, no one has reported bak on this forum saying they have got their license catergories back without having to retake a test.

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It just goes to show how efficient the government are, dont you think, They can't even look after a database of drivers.

and these people are running the country!

These are the ones WE elected to look after us?

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Think you might find you lot elected these socialist thieves, I certainly didn't. At least Stalin or lenin didn't put up a soft front to appease the masses when they made a decision (yes I know they are communist but it is only one more step).

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I too lost my motorcycle entitlement without knowing. Moved in 2003, sent of my license like you do. Got bthe new one back and thought nothing more of it. About a year later I hapened to be talking with a friend who told me this happened to him, so (like you do again) I looked at mine and sure enough my MC entitlement had also vanished.

 

I contacted DVLA who (as above) said prove it. I sent a photocopy of my old license which I had, but apparently that wasn't good enough. I had to prove I took it!

 

I gave them the date, time and place etc but wasn't good enough as they didn't have any records for that TC in 1982 when I took it.

 

No longer ride bikes, but all tye same I feel cheated.

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wake up people, hundreds of m/c licences have been removed, not lost, not misplaced, removed.

 

to stop yourself being ripped off, send a freedom of information request about yourself. this will show eveything, if thet have screwed up and don't show what you already have then correct them, and if you need to send your licence to them you are covered. CHECKMATE, I thank you.

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wake up people, hundreds of m/c licences have been removed, not lost, not misplaced, removed.

 

to stop yourself being ripped off, send a freedom of information request about yourself. this will show eveything, if thet have screwed up and don't show what you already have then correct them, and if you need to send your licence to them you are covered. CHECKMATE, I thank you.

 

Since you are spamming the same (incorrect) message, I'll just cut and paste my correction.

 

 

FoI request will not get you any information about yourself. Personal information is a specific and absolute exemption.

 

Perchance you mean a SAR under the DPA :wink:

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Hi guys,

 

this has happened to me also. received my licence back today to find no motorcycle entitlement, just a provisional entitlement in its place.

Dvla say they have no record of a test pass and to call DSA.

Called DSA to be told that they scrap records after 4 years so they couldn't help.

Passed my test in 2001 at a test centre which is now closed, test certificate never returned by dvla.

They have started an investigation but not holding my breath. DSA rep also told me that he had 3 calls of the same nature already this morning and they completely disagree with the dvla lack of service.

This is a joke.

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You did keep a photocopy (or Scan) of the photo and counterpart? They will accept this as pre-existing proof that your entitlement existed.

 

If and when I have a need to replace my licence, I think I will be using the on-line order form which means I can get the new version of my licence in my hands before I even think about sending the old one back!

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I'd read about this issue countless times over the last few years. The attitude of dvla is outrageous given the number of people effected by this. losing HGV entitlement means losing your living! the arrogance of these people to place the onus on the driver, given the number of cases like it is unreal. It's obvious there is a problem with the way they are storing /processing our personal data which violates data protection laws in itself. But being a government agency i guess they believe the law doesn't apply to them!

I've just had to apply to change my address & would rather pay the fee to replace a lost licence so I can keep the original. Luckily I came across my pass certificate for bike entitlement when moving too. It's 12 years old now & I never thought I'd need it again. But it seems dvla incompetence has proved me wrong.

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I've just had to apply to change my address & would rather pay the fee to replace a lost licence so I can keep the original. Luckily I came across my pass certificate for bike entitlement when moving too. It's 12 years old now & I never thought I'd need it again. But it seems dvla incompetence has proved me wrong.

 

 

Good move on the hanging onto original licence so you can check the new one is right albeit this means youhave to pay a fee. I am not sure that finding your bike pass certificate is going to help you if they decide you never had a bike licence though.

 

I have read cases on here where people could prove they passed the test but the DVLA response was that "yes, we know you passed your test, but you never applied to upgrade your licence within the 2 years allowed, so the test pass is void". Indeed, by finding your pass certificate, you add strength to their argument because you normally have to send your pass certificate to then to upgrade yor licence. By still having possesion of it, that implies you didn't in fact upgrade your licence as they say.

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well here goes past my test on bike at handsworth sheffield tes center in 1983 then passed my car test in 1988 but now have just decided to go back to a motor bike cos of the cost of fuel to go to work as meny now do not want to work and some times not there own faults goverment i think ha but now i have no motor bike licence only car licence whats happening i got in touch with a verry help full person at dvla guess what no records now have to do this all over again ad the expence of it all is this a way to make more money out of the workers in the uk absolutyly gob smacked regards carl

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We hear of quite a few stories over the past couple of years about entitlements disappearing off peoples licences when they have needed to get an updated licence from the DVLA.

 

I don't believe any of these are ever corrected by the DVLA without the driver having to redo the particular test. This is due to the DVLA being infalable apparently!

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The advice generally now (and it is included on the DVLA website) is that you may ask for your old licence to be returned to you following an update. If you now notice an error on the new licence, you will have some decent evidence to hand in the shape of your old licence that even teh DVLA will accept as accurate!

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I have recently returned to motorcycles after around 15 years of driving, when I was 19 I used to have a 250 which I used for work being unable to afford a car. I remember the test being pretty simple in comparison to todays requests. Last year I bought myself a 125 r and was happy to be back on two wheels again. I must confess I'd lost much of my skill and went and took a cbt with an old fella who had also dreamed of returning to his golden days one last time. I have now traded my 125 in and bought a r1 and been riding it now for about 2 months only to be pulled on the last dealer check and told I don't have a bike license. To be honest I felt sick as I've had a photo card licence since last year and never bothered to check. I've wrote an email to the dvla with a query as to why my licence has infact changed.. they've requested a record of my test date and I've now sent a letter with the date I believe to be correct to the case file department. Personally I will continue to ride as I know dam well I've done my test and regardless of what they miss off its not my fault that my old paper licence was stolen. I've read through all of these forum posts and sometimes I think people just add 'oh I've lost mine too' to see if they can get away with it. Personally I think the fact that such an important agency is making these mistakes is not only quite frankly terrifying but also potentially putting people in great risk of being accused of illegal actions when like myself have always done everything correctly and have a clean license. If they do decide not to reinstate this I honestly don't know what I will do as I've already paid for an expensive bike, a full insurance premium which is basically nulled through no fault of my own and somehow will have to find the money to take a das course which quite frankly is ludicrous. Seems to me we pay huge taxes in this country and do everything honestly and pay for it over and over again whilst the criminals walk away laughing. I for one am disappointed and deeply stressed by this entire situation.

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i have A showing on my new paper part of my license but not on my plastic photocard? can i ride a large bike ?

 

Well I would say yes and no. :)

 

Yes, because you previously had it and it appears on 1 part of your new licence so I would carry on riding.

 

No that your new licence is acceptable and needs correcting by the DVLA. Remember that the DVLA are infaulable (this must be true because the DVLA believe it!) so don't let this new licence, at least the bit that is correct, out of your grasp until they agree you have the entitlement.

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