Excel Parking Ticket.

[DCA0512]

I don't honestly know if it's a month or 28 days, from what I understood it's a month from the ruling so like the 1st of the month to the 1st of the month, but again I can't say for certain.

And I take your point on board about 'being in control' but there's a difference between paying £60 and paying whatever they've hiked the charge up to, plus interest, plus court fees etc - while it might not matter to some people, others might struggle to come up with those funds in under a month.

[lamma]

your point was the implications of the CCJ. "At 20 years old, I can't afford to have a CCJ registered against me"

[Al27]

You could still pay at your convenience and get the CCJ removed once you've done so.

 

It'll never happen though - the charge is unenforceable tosh.

[letshelp]

You are so far away from even getting to court let alone worrying about losing and getting a CCJ.

Just ignore and see what happens.

regards

[Conned Sumer]

Hi I have taken the advice on these forums, and am feeling confident and relaxed about it

I too would worry about judgements against me, but should sealed court papers arrive, I could still pay at that point and avoid court hassle, but as its unlikely I will keep on keepin on.

 

Just waiting now for a new government department, to deal with all parking, with no private companies allowed, and for accurate terms to be applied nationwide, and reasonable charges for various levels of breaching national terms.

 

well we can all dream can't we?

 

come the revolution etc

[crem]

Just waiting now for a new government department, to deal with all parking, with no private companies allowed, and for accurate terms to be applied nationwide, and reasonable charges for various levels of breaching national terms.

 

Not sure that would be a good idea. Every thing the government touches either turns to c**p or they will see the money making option and turn out to be twice as bad as your standard PPC!!

[DCA0512]

I see what you're saying, and my point WAS the implications of having a CCJ - but I was also saying I'd only end up with a CCJ if I lost and didn't (or couldn't) pay the charges inside that month. Like I said, it's one thing paying £60 and quite another paying hiked up charges, interest and court fees on top of that and the inability to pay in a month leads to a CCJ.

[Conned Sumer]

That is supposing they were awarded full costs,

inflating the amount payable can be seen (and has) as a scare tactic

 

for invoices the worst they should be able to do is add statutory interest and court costs, that is of course if what they were doing was all above board.

[davecat]

Hi All,

 

Just an update for you all who are in a similar situation as myself (PCN from Excel, Forster Sq, Bradford). Well, today I received a FINAL WARNING from Graham ****e Solicitors threatening court action, and unless I repayed the account immediately they would refer the matter to the courts in seven days.

 

Sounds threatening, but will continue to ignore as with all other communication regarding this.

 

Cheers.

[the_freedom_trail]

they would refer the matter to the courts in seven days

 

I love the language here, they make it sound like getting a judgement is a mere formality. Just more nonsense from the PPC and their associates.

 

Keep on ignoring, you should be at the end of the road by now.

 

Regards,

 

TFT

[davecat]

Keep on ignoring, you should be at the end of the road by now.

 

Regards,

 

TFT

 

Cheers TFT, Will do. It's a shame most people will buckle under the weight of their communcation (as I probably would have done if I hadn't found this forum). Keep strong, y'all.

[the_freedom_trail]

Cheers TFT, Will do. It's a shame most people will buckle under the weight of their communcation (as I probably would have done if I hadn't found this forum). Keep strong, y'all.

 

That's because our government believe that is right that these PPC's should be allowed to get away with fraud. Most people I speak to who have received a PPC invoice think they have been issued a parking ticket from the authorities - I quickly put them straight though .

 

It's all about getting the word out, tell eveyone you know. Together, we can expose this racket.

 

Best Regards,

 

TFT

[hwadsworth]

hi everyone

 

As we all thought - the next letter has arrived from Graham White Solicitors from Michael Sobell - listing all the things that will happen to me if I dont pay the £140.25 in 7 days - including the following "please be assured this matter will not go away without solution or resolution" not the most professional sentence I have ever seen. The letter does go on to say if I can't pay the full amount, or have a valid defence to this claim, you should call this office without further delay. which once again this just wouldnt be an option if they really thought they could get anywhere - thats my opinion - I have also told excel right at the beginning what my defence was ie I bought a parking ticket so they know my defence already.

What does everyone think? cheers

[the_freedom_trail]

From the Graham White website

 

We are aware of the economic realities of many litigation claims and will advise our clients accordingly, baring in mind their individual wishes and situations. Often settlement of a claim in a satisfactory manner is the best result

Read as:

We are aware that in most cases there is probably no point in taking people to court for a very small amount becuase it could end up costing you more than you were ever trying to get back. Often, getting people to cough up by sending them frightening letters is a far better solution.

 

 

Regards,

 

TFT

[hwadsworth]

Hi TFT

 

Thanks for info - interesting that they do advise their clients this way but then still sending threating letters to try and get settlement. So still holding firm on this - I just cant see a judge saying it is fair to charge me £140 when I didnt even try and get away with not paying i did £1.20 for 17mins and I still have the parking ticket - just wrong reg number £140 just doesnt fit against that and they never lost anything either - so what are excel saying they have lost out on. cheers

[the_freedom_trail]

It works like this. A PPC uses a solicitors to try and get people to cough up. Now, the amount is often very small (in legal terms) maybe £80 or so for an unpaid parking invoice. So, all that happens is that you get sent a templated letter. Imagine if a PPC actually employed a real solicitor to work on a claim - it would cost them £150 an hour and more. It simply wouldn't be worth the while. Even if they took you to court and won they would still be capped on what they could claim for legal costs.

 

Therefore, what the PPC is paying for is not the services of a solicitor with a view to issuing a claim but for a letter to be sent from a solicitors firm. If you do some further digging you will find that the templated letters are sent out from a department of the firm that doesn't actually employ any solicitors. It is all part of the [problem]. Most people get a letter from a solicitors and, unless it is telling you your great aunt has bestowed you a fortune, panic and pay up.

 

The pyschology works that different people will pay up at different threat levels. The PPC simply has to increase the threat level a notch before the next waive of victims pay up. Ultimately, the solicitors letter and notice of court action is the ultimate threat - if you don't pay at this point you never will. You are a private parking hard man lol.

 

People respond to PPC letters/invoices based on conventional wisdom. It is an inbuilt instinct in most good honest people - get what appears to be a fine and cough up. This is why the PPC's win a lot of the time (because they are bad) and the good people lose out.

 

Lets be frank, the only way in which a PPC parking ticket is an invoice is in legal status. In every other way it is a fine or a penalty - this is where people get caught out. After all, when you get an invoice from your local electrician it doesn't state the amount, give you a discount period and then say that you will be taken to court if you don't pay - it is just marked invoice with all the relevant details.

 

PPC's rip off the decriminalised parking system as much as they can.

 

When it comes to court action, this is not to do with the PPC believing they have a legitimate right to the charge they have issued, it is about sending a signal to all their other victims - if you don't pay we'll take you to court too. It works on the pyschology that people will only respond to a threat if they percieve the threat to be real.

 

TFT

[hwadsworth]

Hi TFT

 

Thanks that all makes sense and yes you are right Excel dont care that I have a legitimate case - just as long as they can try to frighten me into paying - but its not going to work as I am not paying - especially as I am a stubborn woman well my husband thinks so. cheers

[seen the light]

Baldy Man , Bar Steward

 

I too have recieved a " FINAL WARNING " like the other posting from someone else today; I note we recieved the last letter from Graham White on the same date so am assuming you too will have had one of these today ?

 

who knows, we could all end up at court on the same day HO HO HO

 

regards

 

seen the light:grin:

[hwadsworth]

Hi seen the light

 

They most of had of those days to collect cash they are not entitled to - yes maybe we will all meet eventually.

 

Are you holding firm on not paying as I am

 

Cheers

[Barsteward]

Just noticed on the second letter recieved from the phantom solicitor: the appearance of a Legal Reference:

oooh, i'm really scared now.

 

Are Excel really so stupid to tip up in court and rely on their ANPR evidence? well actually, just a piccy on a letter now, because the won't have kept FULL video evidence in accepted format - and especially as they have already been 'outed' for falsifying their evidence on that site.

 

Can't wait to see how they can show the court we didn't leave the car park for the several hours they are suggesting.

[hwadsworth]

Hi - Yes I have one of those - it frightened me so much I ignored it. Mine is a little different as they are complaining I didnt put the right reg in - but their video actually helps me as it shows the time I went in - which means the ticket I purchased could not of been given by someone else - as the video caught me at 12.17 and ticket say 12.18 - if this had been someone elses ticket it would of been purchased before 12.17 - as I say I am not paying as it doesnt fit the transgression ie charging originally 50 times the cost of thicket I did buy (what is their loss as ticket purchased) and now 116 times - Looks like the court rooms could be full up with excel ex-customers at this rate - will cost them a fortune - if they do it

[lamma]

Excel use ANPR International a lot for their camera stuff. ANPR International is owned by the same person that owns Excel. Coincidence that the cameras 'favour' Excel ??

Edited October 29, 2009 by lamma

[hwadsworth]

Hi - interesting to know that as well - the more I find out about excel the more you realise it is all a [problem] to make money

[seen the light]

Hawadsworth

 

yes im holding out... hopefully this will not backfire

 

regards

 

seen the light:-)

[hwadsworth]

Hi - yes thats what I hope as well - lets hope everyones advise is right - otherwise we are going to have a big bill to pay - but really cant see the court seeing it fair to charge 50 to 116 times the actually cost to park. Especially as I did pay to park - so excel have lost nothing