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We are disputing our monument charges, but today had a call from the above.

 

They have bought the debt and want a settlement.

 

I have told them its in dispute and they want all our paperwork so they can go back to Monument and discuss the situation.

 

They will take £900 off the debt reducing it to £3700, off course we canot settle as we have no money.

 

Whats the best aproach to this? I dont want to slip up.

 

I cannot find anything about the above company either...:mad:

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is it wort trying the "can i see the default notice " line. as a stalling tactic?

when i win ...... 5% goes back to the site!

 

Halifax- 14/6/06 Data Protection Act.28/6/06 S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) - (Subject Access Request) handed in person. 2/7/06 Prelin sent for £3297. 19/7/06 LBA sent SETTLED

Halifax cc- 26/7 prelim for £140 - 14/8 LBA sent - 21/8 £ 70 offer - 22/8 Halifax agreed to pay £140 after call SETTLED

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oh yes forgot about that,

 

I will request a default notice information AND original credit agreement.

 

That way they can go hunting for it befoe they think they are getting anything out of us.

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Just reading thru the threads about monument. How did you get on with the the debacle with HFO

 

Mike

If I've helped tip my scales

 

Blair Oliver & Scott, £2500 written off December 2006 Default removed January 2007:D

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general-debt/56001-mike220359-blair-oliver-scott.html

 

Monument, didn't sign the agreement

:D

 

Lloyds TSB didn't sign the agreement!

:D

 

Citicards, didn't sign the agreement

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RBS tut, tut!

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Morgan Stanley, oh dear

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hi there

in my opinion this company the HFO ARE RIPING PEOPLE APART

i just been asked to pay over £800 amonth back on a credit card debt which i havent recived any transaction from for more then 2 years and been told that if i cant pay that they will reposses my house i need advise can a credit card debt become secured on your house

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There are several threads on HFO if you do a search. Don't talk to them on the phone. Ask them to put everything in writing then send them the CCA letter, asking for a true signed copy of the agreement - Letter N - General Templates Letters - send with a £1 p/o, or someone elses cheque - recorded delivery - do not sign anything. They have 12 +2 working days to comply after this they are in default and a further 30 days they have committed a criminal offence at which time you can report them to TS, OFT. Without a copy of the signed agreement they won't be able to enforce this debt through the courts.

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Hi all,

 

Had the shock of my life yesterday when I checked my experian credit file and found that a default for a loan I had in 1999 had been placed on my file by HFO. I hold my hand up to that but why on earth has it taken 8 years for something to be added to my file causing it serious harm! My rating was, until this entry, good and now it's showing as poor. I have been assured(having paid the debt in full today)that a notice of satisfaction will be sent to Equifax and the rating will be restored but the entry to say I had the debt will not be removed.

 

As a trainee Special Constable this sort of thing can have quite serious consequences. I can't understand why they couldn't send a letter to me at my address that I've lived at since 2004 to let me know about the money owed.

 

Just bloody angry!!

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hi Jason cuttler

as you must of seen my thread about HFO i know fully how you feel

i haven't checked my credit rating but i am sure they put my name there as well as poor credit although same as you i always had a good credit rating and i am not so sure its still the same now

i didn't get a letter all i got was a threatening phone call and they want from me double the amount i owe them .

well today i send them a nasty letter to demand my file to see if they obtained my details legally and i only gave them 12 days to reply well i had help from curlyben he is fantastic and if you ever need any help with any thing just ask him

 

acdc

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just not enough people complaining about hfo as this letter i got today explains

 

Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('The Act')

Complaint Against: HFO Services Limited

Licence No: 555914

 

Thank you for your email received on 17 December 2007, regarding the problems you have been experiencing with the above trader.

 

We are always interested to receive complaints such as yours as they are a vital source of information in helping us to investigate the behaviour of traders that hold consumer credit licences. The trader you have complained about does hold a consumer credit licence.

 

If a business wishes to be involved in activities relating to consumer credit or hire, including debt collection, they must have a consumer credit licence. The Office of Fair Trading (OFT) has a duty to monitor the fitness of all traders that hold a consumer credit licence. In considering fitness, we take into account whether a business has engaged in unfair business practices. This includes any evidence that traders have not complied with any guidance issued by the OFT. The OFT has, for example, issued guidance to consumer credit licence holders engaged in the debt collection industry. The guidance sets out minimum standards that we expect of debt collection traders, consistent with fitness to hold a consumer credit licence. The guidance is intended to ensure that debt collectors treat debtors fairly. Non-compliance with this guidance will call into question the fitness of licence holders and applicants.

 

We investigate all complaints received about consumer credit licence holders and, where we have the necessary evidence, we do take appropriate action. In our initial investigation of all complaints we consider how many complaints we have received overall and how strong the evidence is to support any action. It is unlikely that a licence would be revoked on the strength of one complaint. Where we have strong evidence that unfair business practices have occurred, we may take steps to revoke or refuse the licence of the business in question. However, if we are to do this we need to take account of factors such as the number of complaints received how recent they are and how well evidenced. In cases where evidence is less strong we may issue a warning letter to the business putting it on notice that its behaviour, if repeated, will call their fitness to hold a licence into question. Any action we do take has to be proportionate. If an approach from the OFT makes a trader change its behaviour and treat consumers fairly in future, this is preferable to putting a trader out of business.

 

If we do take any licensing action against this trader it is likely that we would need to disclose your identity to this trader along with details of your complaint. I should therefore be grateful if you would provide me with written authorisation to disclose these details to the trader. I have enclosed a disclosure consent form for you to sign and return to me.

 

We have noted the details of your complaint, to consider alongside any other complaints we have received with a view to any licensing action we may decide to take. We may therefore contact you again if we require further information. Meanwhile, given that the sanction of licence refusal or revocation is such a significant one there are constraints built into the process for taking such action. For example, because of restrictions in Part 9 of the Enterprise Act 2002 relating to disclosure of information, we cannot disclose specific details about any action we may take, nor comment on any adverse information we hold on individual licence holders.

 

Unfortunately the OFT has no power to intervene in individual disputes, and therefore we are unable to assist you directly in this matter. However, you will be able to obtain practical advice by contacting Consumer Direct either by telephone (08454 04 05 06) or online at www.consumerdirect.gov.uk.

 

Consumer Direct is the first point of call for consumers, providing first tier advice on a range of consumer matters, including advice on shopping, information on consumer rights and practical guidance on individual problems and how to gain redress. Where further help is needed, such as specialist advice, face-to-face assistance, or intervention, Consumer Direct refers consumers to another agency, such as Trading Standards Service, that is best placed to assist.

 

Furthermore, the Financial Ombudsman Service ('FoS') can help with most complaints about consumer-credit products and services if the consumer has failed to satisfactorily resolve the matter directly with the financial institution itself. The FoS can be contacted at:-

 

The Financial Ombudsman Service

South Quay Plaza

183 Marsh Wall

London E14 9SR

Tel: - 0845 080 1800

 

www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk

 

I have also enclosed details of organisations which may be able to assist you. Thank you again for writing to us and bringing this matter to our attention.

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

Miss Jo Kwok

Enquiries and Preliminary Investigations Centre

Markets and Projects

Permission To Disclose Complaint

 

Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('the Act')

Complaint Against: HFO Services Limited

Licence No: 555914

 

Reference: Epic/Enq/E/22497

 

*Please delete as appropriate

 

I give/do not give* my consent for the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) to disclose details of my complaint concerning the above trader, including my name and address details, in any further action that it may take under the Act or under any other legislation administered by the OFT.

 

I also confirm that I have no objections/object* to the OFT using the information provided by me in the performance of any of its functions and disclosing that information to others where legally permissible. By way of example, the OFT may disclose such information in connection with enforcement or regulatory action under its own powers or may refer the information to another government department or enforcement authority.

 

Signed: ………………………………………………………………… ……………………

 

Print name: ………………………………………………………………… ……………..

 

Address (Please print): ………………………………………………………………… …

………………………………………………………………… ………………….

………………………………………………………………… ………………….

………………………………………………………………… ………………….

………………………………………………………………… ………………….

Date: ………………………………………………………………… ……………..

 

Please note the OFT can only use your details in any action we may take against the above trader if you give your written permission for us to do so.

 

 

 

 

Additional contact details

 

In the event of the OFT needing to contact you for further information, it would be helpful if you could provide the following contact details. Please note these further details will not be disclosed to the trader.

 

Telephone number: (Home)……………………………(Mobile) ……………………….

 

Preferred time of contact by telephone: ……………………………………………….

 

E-mail address: ………………………………………………………………… …………..

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I am being hounded by hfo services for a barclaycard debt from about 5 years ago. Around that time my marriage broke down and so did I, I also had to move house. I'm not sure if I do owe the money and find it bizare that I have had nothing from anyone about this in the last five years unitl now. I have asked them to send me something in writing which they constantly avoid doing or say that they have sent me several letters which I haven't received.

I'm a single parent and don't have much money, if I owe this then of course I will pay it but I don't want to pay any more than I have to. Please where do I go from here. They are ringing me at all times of the day and late evening and have threatened to pass my debt onto their legal department which could result in 24 hour surveillance and talking to my neighbours, following me to work etc. I am feel very threatened by this.

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Hi doohanpip,

 

Never speak to these people on the phone, get everything in writing.

 

Start a new thread in the debt forums you will get all the help you need there.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/faq.php

 

 

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/#black-consumer-forums-center

 

Before you do anything read all the FAQs then start your new thread in the debt forum. HFO are full of threats to frighten you into paying them, you will find lots of threads on HFO in the debt forums.

 

Sorry and welcome to CAG.

 

Mamie

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They are ringing me at all times of the day and late evening and have threatened to pass my debt onto their legal department which could result in 24 hour surveillance and talking to my neighbours, following me to work etc. I am feel very threatened by this.

 

ROFLMAO

 

these guys have been watching far too much tv......what a load of bull!

 

Seriously,I think you should complain about these tactics to the OFT and it wouldn't do any harm bringing in Trading Standards as well

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ROFLMAO

 

these guys have been watching far too much tv......what a load of bull!

 

Seriously,I think you should complain about these tactics to the OFT and it wouldn't do any harm bringing in Trading Standards as well

 

I had a call left on my answerphone from these guys related to a debt that my wife kindly left for me before she moved away... Unfortunately, on MY card..

 

I quote "Hello.. I am calling from HFO and would like to talk to you relating to a time sensitive matter. I would like you to call me tonight on 02030248541 otherwise I will phone your employer tomorrow and you WILL lose your job"

 

Surely these guys can't leave these kind of messages... This is AFTER I had asked them to stop making any calls and contact me in writing with the original signed agreement

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what I did when dealing with Lloyds who were ringing all hours including Sunday evening at 6.30 pm I sent a letter to OFT, copied Lloyds in on the letter and sent it to LLoyds stating that they had left me no option but to make an official complaint as they were ignoring all my requests for the phone calls to stop. After investigation by Lloyds the debt was written off.

 

When writing to OFT you should also make it clear that this company are not fit to hold a credit licence. Make sure you include every detail to OFT of the Debt Collection Guidelines that HFO have broken, make sure you send it to HFO.

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I'm not sure if I do owe the money and find it bizarre that I have had nothing from anyone about this in the last five years unitl now.

 

Have you recently requested your credit file from a Credit Reference Agency? If you have there's your answer. The C.R.A.'s are like the Debt Collection Agency secret police.

What sort of world do you want your kids to grow up in?

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Hi all.

 

I have logged a complaint against HFO services with the OFT

 

They call me daily and annoy me saying I have an old debt with barclaycard. They will not give me their address and will not send me any credit aggrement. They will not do any data protection either.

 

OFT has told me the following

 

1. They are legally commited to give me thier business address under the Business Names Act 1985.

2. I am legally intitled to a copy of my credit aggrement under the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

3. They are breaking the law under the Information act by not asking for any data protection wuestion.

 

My advice is to get your credit aggrement under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 before you talk any further on the phone.

 

DO NOT ENGAGE IN ANY CONVERSATION APART FROM ASKING FOR IT!

 

Please feel free to contact me on the forum

 

Chris

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Hmm... a 'stooge' post appears to have gone, saying how nice HFO were... PM me if you want to read it!

 

Hello sarahmillerme!

 

EDIT:

 

S*d it, here it is... is this a new DCA tactic? Have their mates post really nice things about them? 'Kin'ell...

 

HFO - NOT THAT BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! while i do agree to the comments laid out here ,

i was surprised by the result of my conversation with them , Which was as follows -

I ACTUALLY ENDED UP WITH MORE MONEY!!!! - what happened was that when i told that

guy that i was unemployed , he made me realise that i wasn't claiming all my benefits!!!.

Now even after paying a monthly installment , i have 50 pounds a week more than i had earlier.

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I have had alot of previous dealings HFO and not heard from them for over a year.

At first i was worried as they were claiming they bought a debt and were aggressively collecting, the then told me it was for barclay card .. BINGO.. never had one, my attempts to tell them i never owned a barclay card fell on deaf and probably stupid ears, over the next 12 months call grew in frequency and ferocity.

After alot of research and also two reports to surrey police (with crime numbers) i decided to play them at their own game.

I in no way recomend this to any caggers, i knew i was in the right with confidence in the fact HFO only persued me for money with absolutely NO legal recourse.

 

first i would answer their call like an old friend e.g "hello buddy , where have you been i have really missed you , you old tosser"

 

second, reverse their questions (very annoying for them)

eg.. hfo) can i speak to mr *******

me) hello is this mr ********

hfo) is mr ******** there

me) is he there ?

hfo) this isnt funny

me) this is funny

 

or answer ever question or sentance " yeeeeeeees"

 

when they started shouting down the phone i would giggle, they shouted louder laughed more.

 

answering on loud speaker then leaving the phone on the television with volume up.

 

or my favourite, i am in the forces and shoot on a range every month i would answer them during firing and when they asked what the loud banging was i would tell them we were executing debt collection thugs, this was great when the range officer would shout in the background " load.. make ready... targets WILL fall when hit, in your own time go on"

 

plus many , many more windups

 

it turned from being harrassed to a daily laugh i looked forward to.

in a weird way kinda missed them when they had had enough and stopped calling.

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