Speeding camera fine

[bobbycat]

Nearly 2 weeks ago my daughter serverly broke both her wrist and after a

night in the hospital came home the following day.

But the hospital gave her tablets and not medicene( she is only 9)

That night she was in agony so I went out to try and get her some pain releaf , I was caught doing 37 in a 30 zone.

My question is the camera got me from the front which came as a shock

and blinded me (and my son) for seconds.

Are they allowed to do that?

This is dangerous and could have caused a accident.

[sequenci]

It's a good point but I would imagine it is legal for a camera to flash from infront, I'm no expert in this area and hope that someone with more knowledge helps soon. I will point out that driving at 37 in a 30 zone could also have caused an accident but I appreciate the circumstances.

[danny_kiernan]

A Gatso Camera - is supposed to flash behind you, when you have broken the speed limit within the lines (which follow the cameras placement), was it a gatso - easy to tell, they are big yellow boxes on a pole?

 

Kind Regards

 

Dani

[danny_kiernan]

Don't worry about a speeding fine, a frontal gatso picture is inadmissable, just spent about 20 mins researching.

 

I agree with you that it is really dangerous though - surely that leads to a drivers inability to pay due care and attention to a road?

 

Dani

[bobbycat]

Yes it has a big yellow box.

 

I do admit that I broke the speed limit which I regret.

 

The only thing what gets me is they is no need for a camera

where it is because there is no path on one side of the road

and no one can pass there at all,there is no school,no shops

nothing rearly.

It was also 20.05 at night so it was dark which made the flash

stand out more, which to me was dangerous in it self.

[Rob S]

Don't worry about a speeding fine, a frontal gatso picture is inadmissable, just spent about 20 mins researching.

 

I agree with you that it is really dangerous though - surely that leads to a drivers inability to pay due care and attention to a road?

 

Dani

 

Gatso cameras take a photo of the rear of the vehicle.

 

Gatso speed cameras explained, UK Gatso traffic cameras

 

Truvelo take a photo of the front of the vehicle.

 

Truvelo speed cameras explained, UK Truvelo traffic cameras

 

Hopefully you are not confusing the 2 devices Dani.

[bobbycat]

Just had a look and it is definatly the Gatso camera.

[patdavies]

Just had a look and it is definatly the Gatso camera.

 

Gatso is not type approved for a frontal picture.

 

Truvelo is type approved for both and must have a magenta flash. It has a distinctive pink/purple tint

[patdavies]

Gatso cameras take a photo of the rear of the vehicle.

 

Gatso speed cameras explained, UK Gatso traffic cameras

 

Truvelo take a photo of the front of the vehicle.

 

Truvelo speed cameras explained, UK Truvelo traffic cameras

 

Hopefully you are not confusing the 2 devices Dani.

 

That website has glaring inaccuracies.

 

1) Gatso are not type approved to cover all lanes of the M25 (or any other multi-lane situation) at once - only one lane at a time.

 

2) Truvelo do not have an invisible infra-red flash - it is visible magenta. This is the manufacturer's website.

[danny_kiernan]

 

Truvelo speed cameras explained, UK Truvelo traffic cameras

 

Hopefully you are not confusing the 2 devices Dani.

 

Truvelo Cameras don't flash, Rob - well in any perceptible way - unlike Gatsos which have a distinct flash.

[GlasweJen]

If it was an emergency you wont need to pay the fine. You need proof that you were taking an ill child to hospital though. My parents have had to rush me to hospital a few times past 2 sets of cameras at either end of the village and always get away with it as they prove that:

1. i was in need of urgent medical attention

2. they drove straight to the hospital using the fastest route possible

3. they could get me there faster than an ambulance could get to me.

[patdavies]

Truvelo Cameras don't flash, Rob - well in any perceptible way - unlike Gatsos which have a distinct flash.

 

Absolute and utter nonsense.

 

Go to the manufacturer's link I provided - Truvelo has a magenta flash.

 

This manufacturer's brochure clearly shows the colour of the flash on page 3

[danny_kiernan]

Absolute and utter nonsense.

 

Go to the manufacturer's link I provided - Truvelo has a magenta flash.

 

This manufacturer's brochure clearly shows the colour of the flash on page 3

 

Oh dear semantics again,

 

Rather than typing quickly, I will spell it out.

 

A magenta flash is not as perceptible as a white flash, and shouldn't blind you. I say shouldn't, but there are reported incidents of truvelo camera filters not working.

[bobbycat]

Jenschnifer

 

It wasn't on the way to hospital, she had just come out. I was trying to get pain killers, she has broke both Radius and Ulmer bones in both wrists.

If Phamasists (even just one) opened on a sunday night I would have been fine, but I had been to 3 local corner shops already and was concerned over the pain she was in waiting for me to get home.

 

Its ok because I haven't any points anyway so this will be my first.

I just find it dangerous to be flashing someone from the front and thought it maybe illigal.

[borisbeaver]

Have you had the NIP yet?

 

I wouldn't worry unless you get one.

[patdavies]

Oh dear semantics again,

 

Rather than typing quickly, I will spell it out.

 

A magenta flash is not as perceptible as a white flash, and shouldn't blind you. I say shouldn't, but there are reported incidents of truvelo camera filters not working.

 

No not semantics. You're saying now not perceptibly white. However, your previous post said not perceptible.

 

It is virtually impossible for a filter to fail - most cases of non-magenta flash are caused by the filter being missing.

 

Truvelo Cameras don't flash, Rob - well in any perceptible way - unlike Gatsos which have a distinct flash.

A Truvelo flash is required as part of type approval to be magenta and is definitely perceptible (look at the photos on the manufacturer's link I gave).

 

If it is not magenta, then the prosecution of the speeding case fails as the device cannot be certified as operating according to type approval.

[bobbycat]

Have you had the NIP yet?

 

I wouldn't worry unless you get one.

 

 

 

What is a NIP?

[Rob S]

Notice of Intended Prosecution. It's the notice that has to be sent out to the registered keeper within 14 days of the offence (in most circumstances, there are some exceptions) and the registered keeper is obliged to nominate who was driving.

[bobbycat]

Yeah got it yesturday.

Pink form, I didn't know what to do with it,never had one before.

I had to fill it in though because I was in my partners car.

Luckly I had told him about it on the night it happened.

I have filled it in and sent it yesturday but I asked the post office for a

reciept because of the strikes.

[bobbycat]

Will I have to go to court?

I haven't got any points.

[GlasweJen]

That's a shame I hope she gets better.

 

Just in case something similar happens again you can ask hospitals if they'll give you an alternate to tablets if you've got a kid who doesn't like them and the pharmacist has it in stock. My aunts a pharmacist in a Glasgow hospital and she says they have loads of stuff in liquid form for kids but doctors outside the kids wards don't tend to give them just because they're used to writing out a script for the adult version. Hope your daughters arm gets better, did she get to pick the colour of her stookie?

[bobbycat]

She wanted (our rather her brother wanted) black and white for Newcastle United but when she was in theater they just put white on up to her shoulders, she didn't have a say in it.

 

As for the tablets, she was having liquid all the way through her stay in hospital so I persumed they would have gave her liquid, they would ask which one she'd perfer so I said liquid every time.

I suppose your right with the Doctor, never thought of that.

[GlasweJen]

Shame, but the white ones are easiest to write on!

 

To answer the court question I don't think you have to go for little speeding offences, I think that can get done by post unless it was really bad like 100 in a 40 zone or something.

[Weird Al Yankovic]

Don't worry about a speeding fine, a frontal gatso picture is inadmissable, just spent about 20 mins researching.

 

 

What rubbish. Try another 20 mins. Gatso?

[Weird Al Yankovic]

Yes it has a big yellow box.

 

I do admit that I broke the speed limit which I regret.

 

The only thing what gets me is they is no need for a camera

where it is because there is no path on one side of the road

and no one can pass there at all,there is no school,no shops

nothing rearly.

It was also 20.05 at night so it was dark which made the flash

stand out more, which to me was dangerous in it self.

 

Quite obviously it is there because people speed...you are proof!

 

I just don't get all this mitigation with offending,

 

'I only stole because it was there, nobody was around, it was dark...'

 

Give me a break for Gawd's sake.