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  1. Jase1982
    Yes but Corbyn isn't antisemitic. That's the thing; I've not seen any specific antisemitism from him . Several examples of questionable stuff from fringe members of the party, but the way I look at it is that they are representing the British people. Yes, they should do more to route out these issues that are evident, but I can't see any evidence that Corbyn is anything close to Hitler (As some have tried to say). In my working life I come up against all the discrimination's you can think of .... racism, sexism, homophobia... What I mean is that these versions of discrimination are evident throughout society, and everyone should look at themselves before blaming the leader of the Labour party for all racism. The criticism he has received has been staggering because everyone seems to be outraged whilst at the same time proliferating an atmosphere of discrimination in every day life.... fulled by the Tory party and people like Farage. Why isn't anyone jabbing Farage in the eye and asking him to apologise for all racists? Yet they're still happy to have him sat in their studios for a friendly chat even though he's not an MP.
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    Who is electable though? Another Blairite? Someone who dresses in a sharp suit, goes through the motions and talks like a robot? Because I don't see any positive change for Labour .. I'll probably go back to voting Green
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    I'm still sat here wondering why people hate Corbyn so much. He's the reason I switched from LIb Dem to Labour because he's started talking about the things I've been going on about for years. Privatisation as the biggest issue. The Lib Dems aren't left enough any more, and have almost merged with the Tories. In the same way New Labour merged with Thatcherism in the late 90s.
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    Make the most of using this website as we'll all be debtors prisons soon as we cant afford to live in Tory Britain
  5. Jase1982
    Corbyn will step down straight away if they dint get at least a hung parliament. If I'm honest, I can see him stepping down if a hung parliament is produced in order for a coalition to be formed.
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    Yeah, but "get brexit done" and all that rubbish.... Also, sadly, a lot of people think human rights are only applicable to those other "people" and only when they're being used for something dastardly
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    Because when talking about immigration most people seem to think immigrants can come here and claim every benefit they want straight away. I would suggest that any immigration system based on any state intervention isn't something the Tory's believe in, and any suggestion that they would do anything remotely positive about the subject is disingenuous when they include it in their manifesto year after year. Who decides who's of benefit to society? You say so what, but the majority of people want immigration reduced, and they are either under the misguided sense that the Conservatives would do something about it, or that an Australian points based system would sort it out. Also, I thought we already established that Labour's open door policy isn't an accurate reflection of what would be in their manifesto. In terms of education - Labour have put forward some good ideas about this area, and I would agree that we need better educated workforce. The Tory's have spent years creating an unskilled uneducated workforce in order maintain their ideological desires.
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    I think you're conflating the discussion with your own view of what open borders means. Obviously I don't think it's sensible to allow people to come to the country and claim whatever they can - They can't even do that now. If they have a job, and are able to support themselves then that is what I would say is fair enough. The real issue with selecting who comes to the country is that you can't devise a system that selects people fairly, and it would need some human intervention down the line. How do you decide who is of benefit to the country etc.. I think if we go down that route, that is where I feel uncomfortable. Even if we adopted an Australian points based system it wouldn't reduce immigration, and the hole notion of only allowing people that earn above a certain sum of money to come to the country is plain silly - As if the amount of money someone earns is the mark of their character. And as we know, we rely heavily on low skilled seasonal labour. Your point is moot because our low skilled workforce have no reason to move to another country unless the standard of living is equal or better to ours. I did read the other day though that the UK provides the greatest number of immigrants from any other country to Australia. I would suggest that the foreign aid everyone likes to grumble at is a way to improve living standards in other countries.
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    Well, if they're living and working then they wouldn't be taking any state benefits surely? So I dont see any issue. Of course, the universal wage for all would eradicate any ill feeling towards people, and this constant narrative that someone is taking something from someone. That's my real issue with capitalism if we move on slightly - we're all on different levels of the pyramid and most people are constantly looking over their shoulder at what the person next to them has. Tory's talk about labour indulging in the politics of envy, but it's actually the capitalist free market system they have created which fuels this hatred towards other people. I think that capitalism promotes competition and as such envy plays a big role in every one of us because we're all competing with one another... better house, better car, better this and that. Ask yourself if you'd be worried about an immigrant taking what you perceive to be yours by rights if there wasn't a more level playing field and people were treated equally regardless of where they were born/skin colour/gender etc? People can't seriously be happy living like this.. constantly mistrusting, looking over your shoulder, paranoid, angry...
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    I didn't call you a nazi. Calling you a Nazi directly would suggest I thought you were anti semetic and right wing, which I don't. I just said that the language used bares similarities, and it's language I hear a lot of, which people don't seem to be aware of. I want to bring my daughter up in a better society, and the type of language used by some people in this country scares me. I think we should always be weary of repeating the mistakes made throughout history, and immigration is one of them. If people want to live and work and move about without restrictions then let them - They're not stealing things from you if there's nothing to steal. If someone comes here to perform a job it doesn't really bother me. We already have systems in place to deport people that have committed a criminal offence, and for people who don't have any work.
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    I was just pointing out the negative implications of what you were saying, and the language other people use when discussing immigration. You might not "mean" them in that extreme way, but they do have historical importance when dealing with immigration and the treatment of minorities. Saying we only want people that are of benefit to society is very close to Nazism; I don't need to prove that, the history books show it. I don't think anyone that uses that language is that extreme, but the similarities are always there. We need to break free as a society and develop one based on compassion above all!
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    And all your doing is responding to the subject in a negative way using aggressive language that gets us nowhere. "the support of other nations to improve their citizens lives" - Stuff like this, as well as saying people can only come here if they are a "benefit" to society could be straight out of mein kampf. Using words like "protect" suggest that whatever is on the other side of our made up line is something to be fearful of. Also, saying anyone can come and take whatever we have is just another negative because you're suggesting people are coming into the country purely to steal.
  13. Jase1982
    Yes that's what I meant. Borders don't stop people that are a danger from existing though. I think borders just create division and disharmony in the world. Borders have been partly responsible for most wars that ever took place, so if there's a way of reducing obstacles to human evolution I'm all for it. You can still have open borders but keep in place the rules surrounding welfare etc ... and lets not forget that it's a two way street... UK citizens claim in other countries. The problem is that immigration has been used as a tool to make people thing that the bogeyman is just round the corner waiting to eat them up. Again, throughout history, it's been used as a weapon to encourage people to go to war, or to persecute minorities.
  14. Jase1982
    I imagine most of that has been dropped from the "official" manifesto... (Not out yet) .. I heard the other day they'd dropped the one about banning private schools. From my own view, I'm for open borders to an extent because I think people will migrate regardless of whether you put a system in place. Making it more difficult to come to other countries just increases the amount of time and money spent on chasing illegals from one imaginary line on a map to another. What we should be doing is working with other countries globally to increase living standards in other countries so that there's a clearer level playing field, and then people won't have to move about to save their own lives. People could then move freely wherever they want to if they have the work. What we have currently is a lot of economic migration where people are leaving other countries because the cost of living is so low in their own country. The EU has been working towards levelling the playing field, which is another reason I think leaving is silly. Also, our economy does rely on immigration in certain sectors. Making it harder for people to work and contribute in this country just screws us up long term.
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    I thought Labour's official policy on immigration was open borders? Or at least that's what they said at their party conference.
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    Your question is as vague as my response, and my response was based on having no facts to go on. We're on the same side here ... I'm not sure what version of remain you think will be put to the people, but as stated I know for sure it won't be possible to remain on the same terms as if nothing has happened. What I can say with all certainty is that Brexit is a step backwards and will hurt us financially, that part is easy.
  17. Jase1982
    Well, remain can never be remain. What I mean by that is that we'll never get what we had back at this stage. Brexit has permanently damaged our reputation, and we'll never have the same influence etc. So, it's a completely hypothetical question with no real answer at this stage that I can see. I couldn't possibly make a judgement call now on what sort of offer to remain is put on the table in the event of a second referendum in six - nine months time.
  18. Jase1982
    I think you're fixating a bit too much on the detail of specifically Corbyn's brexit strategy. I know that's an odd thing to say considering I queried the detail in that piece from the independent. However, if I can explain; I don't believe it matters at all what anyone says they're going to do at this stage. Hypothetically speaking, if Labour do win a majority, I would expect them to go back to the EU and look to renegotiate the May/Boris withdrawal agreement in order to put it back to the people in a referendum. What we would then see is yet another presentation of a "deal" that is supposedly substantially different to what we have seen previously. In reality it would be the same as before, just with a few paragraphs moved about or removed entirely. I've heard some Labour Mp's talk about a closer customs union, which at this stage is also nonsense because what sort of relationship we have with the EU would be defined after the withdrawal agreement has been ratified - Making noise about closer customs arrangements now is purely to give the notion that what Labour would do would be substantially different. So I am in no way blind to the politics going on. In terms of Corbyn being referred to as Stalin .. I would suggest that although our democracy desperately needs reform, the good thing is that we do have fail-safes to tamper any extremities. If it weren't for the courts, the Tory's would have had us out by now, and they would have had us knee deep in goods from other markets like the US, and they would have stripped back regulation etc I do also think there's some naivety to this whole debate though because all politicians can't exactly be completely honest all of the time. First past the post encourages them to be dishonest because they have to appeal to the greater number of voters if they want to win, which inevitably means they have to superglue themselves to the fence and tell people certain things they want to hear. They'll no doubt be some people that are Socialist, and don't know they're socialist, but still vote Tory. They may have also voted leave. There's so many different types of people that someone like Corbyn has to appeal to that it's impossible to meet all the expectations. But at least with Corbyn, you need to be detective to get some inkling as to whether he's being deceptive. Johnson just does it in the open. So, I would say, just put all the ill feeling toward Corbyn to one side and vote for the best way to stop this madness. We can deal with his policies later down the line. He says a lot of things that I agree with in terms of re-nationalisation because privatisation has been a disaster. But I'm not naive enough to believe he can just wave a magic wand... re-nationalisation will cost an absolute fortune, and some of the rail contracts aren't up for a while yet. Also, in all honesty I expect another hung parliament anyway, and hopefully the numbers will fall on Corbyn's side. If there's another coalition I can see another election taking place in two years. Of course, if the electorate return a Tory majority we're all stuffed, which is where the focus should lie. The Tory party want disgruntled Labour voters such as yourself to not vote for Labour.
  19. Jase1982
    No I'm fully aware of the facts. Although I'm, unsure what your position is other than being firmly entrenched in the "I hate Corbyn" camp. I'm just looking at a different set of facts, which outline that the best route to remain is presently to vote Labour. It helps that Corbyn has said some things I agree with! In terms of Corbyn being a tin pot dictator; I would draw you back to earlier comments I made about Socialism. The issue being that Socialism often fails because it involves taking things away from people, and meets such vociferous objections that the only route available is to become a dictator. The Jeremy Corbyn I'm aware of has always been quite a warm, open, and inclusive sort of man. When he first became leader of the Labour party he opened his cabinet up to the very people who despised him. What did they do in response? They stabbed him through the chest, and were openly defiant, and disrespectful of the democratic decision to make him leader. I'm not saying he's perfect, no one is, but he's presently the best hope for change and to remain a member of the EU. So that's what I will stick with unless someone can present me with an alternative solution.
  20. Jase1982
    I have plenty. I'll need to watch dispatches, but my main point was that there was no detail in the story ran by the independent. That information either had to come from one of the three, or they bugged his phone, or it was made up in order to support the narrative. This is why I don't read any newspaper at all, because there's often no detail and a lot of it is made up. Just ask Boris, who has had yet another retraction because he made some more stuff up in one of his columns. All in all I don't really understand the furore. Yes, I would like more Labour MP's to come out and hammer brexit for being the nonsense we all know it is. But, I also understand why they need to take a softer approach to Brexit because they need the support of voters who voted to leave. If voting for Labour means a second referendum then I'm confident remain would come out on top this time around, and so for me, they are still a remain party. They're the best chance anyone has of stopping this madness, and whilst I understand concerns over Corbyn, I think voters should put them to one side and vote strategically. I just don't think that democratically anyone could, or should, just revoke article 50 and put it to bed. So, the best route democratically would be to come up with a plan, create a strategy for leaving the EU, and put it forward in a second referendum.
  21. Jase1982
    How would they possibly know what happened and what was said at his allotment?
  22. Jase1982
    Looks like we're getting a December election anyway. If someone could explain the pantomime we saw yesterday that would be great!
  23. Jase1982
    Not a given, but without a general election I don't see how we can move forward. And Labour won't give them an election. I hear today they're talking about changing the law to allow for a fixed election date to go through with 51% of the vote, so maybe we will get an election. Labour's excuses for not agreeing to an election are even starting to wear thin on me. I just wish they'd make a lot more noise about why the deal is bad, and why there are no up sides to Brexit. Like why they haven't released a white paper detailing all the economic benefits. I agree, I don't see Labour's position improving under Corbyn. There's just been too much effective propaganda against him, and leavers would still rather back Boris, which says it all really.
  24. Jase1982
    I think Labour are going to stick this out until public opinion turns against Johnson, or at least that is what they are hoping. Presently, they hold the power in terns of when a general election can be held and it makes little sense for them to give up a good position now. We're in for a long wait for a general election if what I understand is true. How long can Boris keep the public hanging on to the notion that everyone else is thwarting brexit.
  25. Jase1982
    I'm not entirely sure what Corbyn wants other than to be prime minister. He has to choose his time wisely though because if he loses the next general election he'll resign and that'll be it. I do think neither side wants an election before brexit is done but they're kind of just playing a game to see who will blink first. Do they have the numbers for a vote of no confidence yet? Could they topple the government at this stage and form a minority government under Corbyn who leads the country briefly towards a second referendum up against boris's deal.. I think it's now in the EU's hands to see how long they offer us as an extension, which also does the brexiteers a favour as they can claim the EU are telling us what to do again. An election before brexit is done will harm both parties I'm sure of that.. brexiteers will turn up in droves and just tick the brexit party box like lemmings.

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