Alright - thanks. I'll try sending a full redacted letter 2nd class to them with the below text in the hope they cancel it. Guessing I should not sign it or say my name anywhere - just have the text, ECP reference number and the redacted proof of appointment on that day? Please find enclosed proof a medical appointment on the day of 12 February 2024 at 17:25, the patient for which was the driver of the vehicle in question. The reception at Queenswood Medical Practice / Hornsey Central Health Centre has instructed us to contact you directly with this proof of appointment they provided, saying the PCN should be cancelled as the driver of the vehicle attended a medical appointment on the day and did not use the parking facilities for any other purpose.

But as long as my partner's name is redacted what's the issue in asking them to to cancel based on that proof?

Got a "Final noitication letter today. I'll do a redacted copy of the proof of the medical appointment my partner had. Question is - can I do this via the official ECP appeals process? Or just write a letter to the address on the PCN with redacted proof enclosed? Appeal a Parking Charge Notice - Euro Car Parks WWW.EUROCARPARKS.COM Feel you have been wrongly served a parking charge? You can appeal a Euro Car Parks parking charge here.

No - I am the keeper, appointment person was my partner

Reception said we needed to email ECP directly with roof of the appointment and they would def scrap the charge. Seems this is my only option now, but I know it's not recommended to contact them as it admits "fault"?...

Thanks all - GP said: We are unable to write to Euro Car Parks as were are completely unrelated to them. It is dealt with by the Ground floor reception for Hornsey Central. We can confirm that you were seen On 12th February 2024 at 5:10pm and you may use the consultation below to fight your case. Unfortunately, there is nothing further that we can do or you. Thanks, Queenswood Medical Practice we will provide that proof (redacted) to the “ground floor reception for Hornsey central” to see if they can cancel the ticket with ECP. Just kept name, date and address visible on the doc the gp provided or should I redact more in case they provide it to ECP?

Sorry for not completing PDF/info correctly or posting the other side of the PCN. That is attached and below are answers: 1 Date of the infringement 12 Feb 2024 2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 19 Feb 2024 [scan up BOTH SIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide] please LEAVE IN LOCATION AND ALL DATES/TIMES/£'s 3 Date received 27 Feb 2024 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] YES 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? YES - just numberplates, not the car 6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] NO Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up NA 7 Who is the parking company? ECP 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Hornsey Central Health Centre, London For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. BPA 2024-02-24 EPC NTK for pcn 2024--02-12.pdf

Received the attached today. The centre has free parking provided the number plate is entered on arrival at the surgery, which we forgot about. Given it's another of these private companies, what would be the best route here - ignore until letters either stop or court action threatened? 2024-02-24 ECP NTK for 2024-02-19 PCN.pdf

Well here’s to hoping these letters my in laws received are not the “real” PCNs, and that in the next couple weeks tfl reply to my email and letter with enclosed evidence with a “they’ve been cancelled”. If not, I’ll try the pe2 pe3 form approach…

Alright, so i'll do the PE2 (as I am "late") and PE3 forms as well as my letter with evidence posted to tfl. Hope they're accepted being submitted by me and not the actual motorist who is in France. I guess in field "applicant" I put my name rather than "son in law" What a nightmare for something that isn't clear at all in the first place (need to register foreign vehicle). It says email is best option for time sensitive things, so I assume i'd need to upload the PE2 and PE3s via the same form as I used to write a simple note with attached proof of hybrid car. The reason in PE3 i'm giving is that the letters received aren't the PCNs, but that seems to be in doubt now as they look to be a direct translation of the tfl PCNs.

OK - got it thanks. I've prepped a written challenge and will post tomorrow. if the outcome of that is a rejection, I'll do the PE3 forms. Although I could in theory do those now on the grounds of "PCNs not received", it's a lot of bloody hassle to go to a solicitor and get them sworn...

Ahh. Where are the PCNs then? "receiving the PCN" would be actually a real letter from tfl then I guess, not EPC plc third party?

Okay, I've submitted an online message to tfl stating the below with evidence attached, and I'll also post a hard copy version. I printed out the forms PE3/PE2 as well but I see none of the 3 options on PE3 (I did not receive PCN, I made representations with 28 days or I appealed and was rejected) apply to me, since I cannot appeal online via tfl (gives error) and I don't want to appeal directly to EPC plc. So I assume I can only submit PE3 for each PCN when and if TFL reply to my emailed & posted "challenge". ---- I'm writing on behalf of my French in laws who cannot speak English and who received 6 PCNs totalling £1440 for driving their compliant Hybrid vehicle in the LEZ/ULEZ zones earlier this year. They only just received letters about the PCNs at their home address hence only now contacting. I attempted to challenge all the PCNs on the tfl website as this option was available, but each time it resulted in an error. I further do not wish to contact EPC plc regarding the PNCs since they are a third party. I hereby attach evidence of the vehicle registration document and the registration of the vehicle with EPC plc proving compliance. I await confirmation that the 6 PCNs are cancelled as the vehicle is fully compliant. The PCNs are XXXXX. Many thanks in advance, XXXXX

Alright thanks - tried online several times with tfl and although all the PCN details and the option to challenge are there for all 6 PNCS, end result is always "sorry something went wrong". So I called tfl and they said that's because the vehicle is foreign, and that I need to challenge with EPC plc directly over the phone. They also advised that even if the vehicle wasn't registered prior to arrival, if I can provide proof that vehicle is compliant the PCNs should be cancelled. But....should I call/contact EPC? Just wary that might open a can of worms in some way as overwhelming advice is to ignore them?

6 of the attachments in the first post - each one in the same format but for a different location in London and each at €283.50. Each one has a unique reference number and “contravention” number. These 6 letters are not the PCN’s themselves?

Thanks for info re forms. The registered keeper of the vehicle received all 6 as letters addressed to them at their home address directly in France from an address in Sweden

Have registered the vehicle now and will not do anything with epc but might send a note to TfL themselves

Okay out if curiosity I asked chat gpt, here’s the reply: If the fine was issued because you failed to register your foreign vehicle with TfL in advance, and your vehicle would be compliant with the ULEZ standards if it had been registered, then you may have a case to appeal the fine. You should contact the euro parking collectors who issued the fine and explain the situation, providing evidence that your vehicle meets the ULEZ standards and that you were not aware of the registration requirement. You may also want to explain any mitigating circumstances that may have contributed to the oversight, such as language barriers or unfamiliarity with the ULEZ regulations.

Although perhaps that admits fault to begin with so best not to register unless they’re going to visit again?

Thanks Ethel and Dx, yes, on closer inspection you’re right. I disregarded as I assumed it was a scam due to the German bank account etc. Issue is that the foreign car was not registered in advance with TFL so they don’t know if it met the standards (it does as it’s hybrid). Tfl's website say that until registered cars should pay the charges (ULEZ and Congestion charge if applicable) and apply for refund after registered. These weren’t paid as assumed a compliant car wouldn’t get fined. im guessing the best course of action would be to register the car retrospectively which will confirm it as compliant and then if any more letters come in the post could use that as evidence it’s compliant…?

In laws received six of these at their home in France after visiting by car, totalling over €1000. The areas described are also out of ULEZ zone. Smacks to me of fakery and posing as tfl… is that the thought of others too? May this post also serve as an alert to others! Euro Parking Collection France.pdf

Here’s the cancellation letter from MET, either in response to my snotty letter or BP’s instruction, or both. Tempting to reply with something! PARKING SERVICES.pdf

Thank you all, I made a donation. Rather you guys have some of it than them! i have suggested to BP they review how MET and any other similar fleecers they employ operate in such a threatening way, whilst at the same time commending them on taking action in the interests of common sense and what is right

Well well well, BP cancelled it! See their reply. What seems like long shots are clearly worth taking! Thank you all again for your help and advice. Out of curiosity, had I paid, who would have got the money - BP with a cut for MET? Thank you again for providing the required documents. As mentioned previously, parking restrictions have proved necessary in order to ensure our customers always have available parking spaces, however it was never our intention to charge our customers who use the site for our services. Due to the facts of your case, we have cancelled the outstanding ticket and confirmed the cancellation with MET parking. Thank you for taking the time to bring this matter to our attention and I hope we will be able to enjoy your valued custom in the future

Yes that, the one at the beginning of the thread. Providing a copy of that to BP is ok or would I be shooting myself in the foot somehow?