The letter was not signed with a signature. 

The letter was in my dads name though - I'm just trying to find it now.
 

EDIT: Cant seem to find it but as post 26 on here. 

Thanks.

UPDATE: Just getting the usual barrage of spam letters.

Sorry I didn't see the above message till now, I've just been getting letters from Trace recently, but nothing important.

In terms of the date - that is what I have. 

Hi FTM,

Yes - one was paid, and 2 are outstanding now with these threads open. 

I am the RK.

Hi FTM,

EDIT: Just read the letter - it does say I (my father) was not the driver, and did not ID the driver.

Lets go with it as is then - have sent him your reply - Thanks DX. 

Will update as more letters come.

Tbf, I'm not too clued up on these issues - so whatever your advice is - I will stick to it all the way.

I was the driver - yes. 

Hi,

The signage is the same as posted in the thread linked. I'll leave out any letters to them, its just really frustrating - thankfully a lot of people are leaving the place now cus of poor management and 3 hours in a "24/7" gym 

Hi all - received this letter today.

Only thing I'm having that is a little cause for concern is my dad isn't too impressed and doesn't want it coming in his name or having to go to court - whats the advice for this please?

I have told him that I am getting assistance from CAG who know their stuff in and out so not to worry, but doesn't always work.

Thanks!

TRACEBMW.pdf

Questionnaire for ticket on Peugeot.

1 Date of the infringement 18/06/2023

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 26/03/23
 

 3 Date received 29/03/23
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Y
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? yes
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] no
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up n/a
 

7 Who is the parking company? Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Manningham Retail Park, JD Gyms, Bradford
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. IPC

The gym doesn’t do anything for anyone – not prepared to pay even a reduced amount this time. I did input my number plate in the computer, so don’t know why this has come.

I was going to write a letter to them to say that I did put my numberplate in, and they can check the cameras. Just very annoying – I’ve since left the gym and joined something much better!

PCN PEUGEOT 308.pdf

I just got another PCN from the gym, this time in the Peugeot again and I did input my number plate… couldn’t make this up, I’ve since left the awful gym and management there. 

So with the Peugeot, I paid that for £30 - nothing much... but they haven't done anything with the BMW's. 

As you said, the little letter about time was sent and duly rejected by them, they gave 14 days and received letter today saying that its gone up to £100 - if not paid they might take it to court etc. 

I'd prefer to get it sorted quickly like the Peugeot, but, if they don't then I'll just play the long game, ignore ignore ignore until court papers come and keep this updated for other members who may be in a similar situation. 

Thanks - p.s. hope you're all enjoying the coronation.

Tried to edit my post but it went a bit weird and the edit button is gone, I just added the following:

I will speak with the gym again today to see what they say, probably won't do much till Tuesday - if they are being funny about it (either party) then I'll send a letter telling them who the driver was next week.

Apologies for the delay.

Attached now.

wall sign.pdf

I thought it’ I’d just experiment with that one tbh. 
 

The gym has said best they can do is £36 each ticket. What’s the consensus for this? Ignore and go all the way? And only come back if/when I get court papers?
 

thanks. 

Yes it was him and kept short and sweet. I’m not hopeful tbh, but no harm in experimenting. 

I’m trying to upload the sign but need to convert it to pdf. So I’ll do that tomorrow. 
 

thanks. 

I’ve sent a quick letter regarding the BMW that dad wasn’t the driver and it arrived late. So will see what they come back with on that ground. I am prepared to give my details for this and go with it from there as well tbh. 

Yes I have a membership, regular monthly payments going out.

Spoke to a guy who works in the gym, basically affirming they have nothing to do with the car park and it is the retail park, and it is unfair. He did say that I'll have to speak to the main manager regarding the first car ticket if there is any info, I did say to him im 99% sure I put in my number plate for the BMW as I always do, he said send it to them, and appeal it at the same time. 

In short - gym dont have much to do with car park, and there is not much they can do but for the £30 - IF that happens that is. 

@brassnecked - would you advice that if I am offered the £30 - to pay it in that case? I know the forum has helped a lot of people, and tbh, if the advice here is that it wouldn't go in my favour, then thats fair and I'll take it on the chin.

I have some pictures of the sign but can’t upload it. Will figure doing out. 
 

I still haven’t heard about any reduced fee mind you from them yet. 

But as I said above for the extra hour it’s just putting in your numbers on the tablet in the gym and the sign says the same thing, 2 hours and 3 for gym users putting in their number plate in the tablet. 
 

I also don’t see how so much money being asked for is in line with any so called losses suffered? Especially at 1am at night in any case? It’s speculative at best. 

Yeah, I accept the gym are not in control of it tbh -  other JD Gyms like Leeds have their own car park and don't have any time limits. 

I'll grab some pics when I go there later today. For now, I haven't been using the car park at all, found a decent spot to leave the car and no time limit - thankfully! So shouldn't happen again.

So a wrong reg is very plausible, I am human after all and unfortunately do make mistakes.

For the first one, I most likely did forget to enter the reg in on the day  - still to hear from the gym regarding that, I'm going to go today and ask them, I think of the the guys said it can be reduced to £30 - would you recommend paying it if that was the case? Personally, I don't see why one should pay anything for free car parking.

It is an ipad at the front desk, I can take a pic of it today, it can be clunky and slow tbh.

I can also get a pic of the signage, which does say 3 hours at the gym once number plate is entered into the ipad. 

Forgive my ignorance, but I've read that if it comes after 14 days, then it, in theory, should be invalid? 

There are 2 sections of the car park, one is for the gym and the other section is for some shops there such as food warehouse etc and it is a spill out for gym parking when it gets busy.

I will write a letter regarding the other car today and get it sent off tomorrow second stamp postage with proof of posting - thanks. (we live at the same address)

I can't seem to edit my post above to reupload the PCN's with removed PCN number?

Questionnaire for the first ticket - which was my car.

1 Date of the infringement 15/03/2023

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 22/03/23
 

 3 Date received 24/03/23
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Y
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? yes
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] no
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up n/a
 

7 Who is the parking company? Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Manningham Retail Park, JD Gyms, Bradford
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. IPC

Questionnaire for second ticket - not my car.

1 Date of the infringement 16/03/2023

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 22/03/2023
 

 3 Date received 30/03/23
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Y
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? yes
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] no
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up n/a
 

7 Who is the parking company? Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Manningham Retail Park, JD Gyms, Bradford
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. IPC

I have spoken to the gym about it, and they said they can't do anything as they don't manage it. A few people who have had tickets have had the same reply from them as well, so I don't have much confidence in them doing much about it.

Regarding my father, he won't be up to fighting the fleecers for this and/or, if it does go to court, he doesn't want to.

Also - anyone else have any ideas regarding the letter coming after 14 day period?

Even if it is fully ignored, maybe something I can rely on if it does go to court?

Both PCN's uploaded.

2023-03-20PCM PCN for 2023-03-15.pdf

No problem - envelope uploaded (for BMW) - nothing specific on it. 

I don't have one for my car - as that was last week. 

2023-03-22 PCN NTK re PCN 2023-03-16.pdf

That is correct, yes. 

Hi,

I received a PCN from JD Gym in Bradford about overstaying in the car park. The way it works is you have 2 hours free parking, and if you want to stay up to 3 hours, you have to input your number plate in a tablet device. 

I received a PCN a couple of weeks ago for a car, which I did take to the gym and they said they will see what they can do - most likely they won't do anything as I haven't heard from them as of yet. I did forget to input it on this day though.

Today I have received a second PCN - however, the one I received today is not registered in my name but my fathers. Question is - do I inform them that he was not driving and give my details as the driver of the car on the date? The other thing is, I'm sure I did input the reg as I always do this. 

The other thing is I received the letter after the 14 day period, would you recommend writing an appeal letter to them to explain this and ask for it to be cancelled? Or is this a waste of time? 

I have read up a lot on this regarding PCN's and understand to ignore until, or, if court papers do arrive. The other thing is I'm not the only one from the gym receiving threat o grams, a couple of others who I know have also received them even after inputting their number plate. I'm not sure if I should go to the gym and say to them that I did input it and ask them to get it cancelled (something I doubt they would do anyway).

On both occasions, I did not overstay the 3 hour limit.

Any advice or assistance is more than welcome. 

Thanks.