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  1. Yes I was told that was one of my options, but I didn't know I had to pay his train fare.


    His company is only 0.6 miles from the court, which would take him 13 minutes to walk, so he can forget me paying his train fare. 


    I was told I could ask him to bring details of all their unpaid PCN's to court, which would be interesting.

    if and when he comes to court will he have to pay the original costs plus the £60 unless he has a good excuse why he cannot do so?

  2. I had hoped so too, especially as most local newspapers are currently running what seem to be topical private parking news stories. Maybe the Northampton Chronicle are friends with Mr Gearey the MD or they use NPM to manage their car park!


    By the way NPM have not paid my costs yet, so it looks like that might be a long drawn out fight too! I have been advised what are my options, which will cost me money, but this will be added to the debt they owe and if they still don't pay up then this will affect their credit rating. 

  3. My Father and I noted that not once in the waiting or court room did either of the two representatives of the Claimant make eye contact with us, and as stated before they couldn't leave the room quick enough after the DJ delivered his verdict!


    I know there are still motorists who have refused to pay PCN's issued in this same road. I wonder if NPM will still issue claims, but without the extra £60, to see if they can win without abuse of process? If they do, with the right defense and WS they will still have their claims struck out/dismissed so they should now just give up and move on. The change of operator and double yellow lines was the final nail in the coffin for any future claims associated with this road!

  4. Welcome back to the thread ericsbrother.


    We were so glad we had this DJ, although would have also been happy to have the one in the next room as he had personally struck out several NPM/other Private Parking Company  claims and was aware of the changes in this road with regards to a change of operator and adding of double yellow lines. Whilst waiting an hour we saw several DJs walking in and out and there was one very young female, probably like the one you refer to. However my defence and WS was so detailed it should have guided even a junior DJ who didn't know much about private parking law. Having a bad DJ was my biggest worry on the day, because I knew the defence was good enough to get NPM's claim struck out or dismissed. 


    The Chronicle and Echo have been contacted but it seems they are not interested in doing a follow up to the Misleading Signs report they ran in September 2014. They have not even acknowledged emails sent and tweet asking why. Maybe they use NPM for parking management and don't want to upset them! Unfortunately the Northamptonshire Telegraph doesnt cover Northampton. 


    I think it is shocking and disgraceful that NPM are continuing to pursue claims when they have had so many struck out. The court should be hard on them for continuing to waste court time. Why are they not striking these claims out before they get to trial? In my claim the court even allowed them to disobey the court order for the deadline to submit their WS and evidence.


    Yes the DJ liked Dawood, but like you, my Father before the hearing told me not to focus too much on this. The DJ did link this nicel to my defence that the signs were not adequate to alert motorists that they were entering a private road, which from the tarmac surface (same as Wellingborough road) and markings at the entrance looked like a normal council/highways adopted road.


    The DJ's biggest focus was on abuse of the process and the many cases we referenced and what he knew from the DJ in the next room. 

  5. Glad to hear Eric is still around.


    The advice my Father had from the FB group seemed to favour a detailed defence with a lot of it repeated and reinforced in the WS.


    In the end it didn't matter because like many operators they tactfully submitted their WS and evidence at the last minute, much later than the original order date. They may have been even later if I hadn't alerted the court. Therefore they had the upper hand knowing what was in both my defense and WS when submitting their documents.


    Despite this, they still failed to use that advantage and correct mistakes previously made like the wrong address, which was even wrong on the never seen before landowner agreement. It seems that all their claims for unpaid PCN's in the road had this address error and certainly the landowner agreement was wrong when originally created/signed and no one spotted this.


    My Father did so because he is a Quality Consultant so has a keen eye  for auditing documents.

    Also the landowner agreement didn't give NPM authorisation to issue proceedings for breach of contract or trespass on behalf of the landowner, but the DJ decided to just focus on 3 things as he only had an hour, not a full day!!! 


    You are right that these rogue parking companies get a high return/profit on issuing 1000's of PCN because many motorists just pay out of ignorance and/or fear. This road was a big earner for NPM, just on Easter Sunday alone according to the Tesco Express manager.


    If they had just cancelled my PCN when I first disputed it then they might have continued to get a nice income from unsuspecting Tesco shoppers. The IAS, proved that appealing to them is a waste of time because they don't know the law and are corrupt.


    The IPC, even with their connections to Gladstones Solicitors don't know the law either and failed by approving the signage in this road. Their desk top audits are also useless because they use site plans and photographs that are years out of date.

    Well they were for this site.

    When I pointed this out to the IAS Adjudicator he still rejected my appeal! 


    Hopefully Sir Greg's new Private Parking C of P Act and independant Ombudsman will sort that out this badly regulated industry, but I fear it wont be sufficient enough to get rid of all the rot!


    In conclusion I have leaned the following from this experience.


    1) Don't name or admit to being the driver. Being a Keeper gives you better legal rights!


    2) Dispute the PCN with the Operator, but until there is a proper independant ombudsman don't waste your time appealing to POPLA and definitely not the IAS!


    3) if your dispute with the operator fails ignore all correspondance from Debt Collectors, Solicitors and further corresponance from the Operator, EXCEPT A LETTER BEFORE CLAIM.


    3) If you get an LBC respond ASAP, including pointing out any non-compliance. Enclose the Annex 1 requesting all necessary information.


    4) Research as much as possible and double check any sources. There is a lot of bad advice out there on the internet, on forums/groups (not here of course).


    5) If you believe the PCN was issued unfairly fight to the end and have your day in court. It will be a long and hard journey, with lots of stress, worry, sleepless nights etc. but to get justice is so satifying and worth it!


    Visitors to my thread please learn from my experience and use any relevant cases and points from my defence and Witness Statements. Good luck!

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  6. Thanks.


    Lots of battles along the way, but in the end the war for justice was won and the Tesco Express store and it's Customers have benefited too, not that they have shown any gratitude.


    The store manager renegade on his promise to my Father that he would support us in his own capacity if this went to court.

    Luckily we didn't need his help in the end. I think head office gagged him. 


    Also, my Father has emailed updates to the person at Tesco Head Office who put through the complaint about NPM to their Landlord/Landowner. Two of his emails have been delivered, but have not even received an acknowledgement!

    Not the respect/courtesy you would expect from a corporate company like Tesco, especially to someone who has helped their business/Customers.     

  7. Despite doing my own Defense and WS without consulting on here, and this being a war and peace, I am pleased to announce my Father and I won in court today. 


    The hearing started just over an hour late. NPM were represented by the MD/Owner of the company and a female member of staff who didn't say or do anything during the trial. I think this case was so important for his company to win, the MD didn't want to risk delegating this to a member of his team, which he has done in the past. They have also had several other cases dismissed/struck out for unpaid PCN's issued in this road. What a waste of court time!


    We had a good and fair District Judge who knew about private parking law and also the Claimant's and the case histories I had referenced in my defence and WS. He even knew about NPM losing their contract in this road and that it now has double yellow lines all the way round.


    The case was struck out for 3 reasons:


    1) Abuse of process. Claiming more than £100/Parking Eye v Beavis total of £85. The MD said the extra £60 was an error and they no longer add that, but in their response to our defence they had stated they were entitled to add it reference the IPC Code of Conduct! They have had other claims struck out for this but still pursued with their claim against me.


    2) Dawood V Camden road. The road looked like a normal highways/council managed road and their signage was not clear enough to make motorists aware that the road is unadopted/private with parking restrictions.


    3) The location of the alleged offence was wrong (road name and post code) on the their Claim, LBC, Defence, WS etc., and the Landowner agreement which I finally got to see a week ago had the wrong post code.


    The above 3 things were enough for a strike out, but I could have won for other reasons as well, but the DJ stated we only had an hour so he was focusing on just those points. 


    The MD and his colleague couldn't get out of the room quick enough and didn't stay to hear my schedule of costs. Not everything on this was agreed,  even though there had been an abuse of process. We were awarded loss of earnings, travel to court & parking costs, but whilst this is a fraction  of yhe true cost, and no compensation for the stress, worry and upset over the last 2 years, I was just relieved that the hell my family and I have been put through is finally over!


    I am glad my Father accompanied me in the court room as I was nervous and lacked confidence, but he was allowed to prompt me.


    I hope I never have to go through this experience again, but happy we got the right result. Also the campaign to get this road marked properly was a success and NPM lost their contract in the process, not that we have had any thanks from Tesco head office or the store management!


    Thanks to this forum for your earlier advice. My Father in the end did a lot of research on his own and he got very good support from a friend who is a member of a Private Parking Tickets facebook group.


    So after nearly 2 years and hundreds of posts this thread can finally be closed. Hopefully others will benefit from some of the content.


    Goodbye all.

  8. A lot of the war and peace in my defence and WS, and even mistakes I have pointed out have not been countered or corrected even in the WS written by the head of the company!!!


    I did report the capacity issue at least twice, which only started after you upgraded your website. Anyway thats all history now. We are where we are.


    I submitted my WS and evidence right at the last minute, but as they ignored the court order they submitted theirs 11 weeks after seeing mine!

  9. You have not seen any recent documents because since your upgraded your website trying to do so has failed because I am up to my limit.


    Give an example of what had not sunk in and if you read the 250 post you will see that someone advised me to ask for proof that the operator had planning permision for their signs!


    Yes the duration was less than 10 minutes but that is not enough to win this case nor has not been a good enough defence to win other cases!


  10. I mentioned that NPM lost their contract in this road and since the new company took over double yellow lines have been painted on the road. Doesn't this strengthen my case.


    NPM refused to mark the road or make their signs clearer.

    They stated the Landowner did not wish to mark the road, but they have done now!


    The road is still unadopted.

    Interestingly the new parking company have not put any of their signs on the derelict building that NPM had place 4 on.

    They said the reason was that it is a listed building and their signage without these is still IPC compliant.


    I did ask the Claimant to give evidence that they had planning permission for their signs.

    They have not provided this.

    I wonder if the NPM signs on this building were illegal.

    Do you need planning permission to put signs on a listed building?


    8 minutes ago, dx100uk said:

    nope ....it was extended.




    Unfairly so. Why were they given a second chance. 

  11. If it has wouldn't I have received a letter stating it has been?

    They haven't replied to my email either, so either no news is good news or the claim will be heard as planned on Monday.

    To give 2 working days I had to post the Schedule of Costs today, I sent it to the court and copy to the claimant. 


    1 hour ago, dx100uk said:

    their WS will be accepted.

    a day make little diff.




    But 11 weeks late from the original order date!!!!

  12. The Claimant paid their trial fee on time but had not submitted a WS and the evidence they wished to rely upon.

    I notified the court who checked their own records and confirmed this.


    Annoyingly the assistant DJ gave them an extension to 3rd January 2020 4pm, stating if they missed this order the claim would be struck out.


    I received their documents on the 4th, 1 day late, and if they sent the court their copy by the same 1st class post they would received them late. 


    Their WS was dated the 2nd, as was the post mark, normal first class, which is not guaranteed next day.

    I notified the court and requested the claim should be dismissed as they had missed two order dates, the first which was 21st October 2019, 11 weeks ago. So far no response or notification to say the claim has been struck out.


    I have not submitted a Schedule of Costs yet.

    Should I send this now or take to court on Monday.


    I want to claim travel, loss of earnings to attend court, stationary, postage and printing cost and a modest 4.5 hours for research, preperation and drafting of documents @ £19 per hour litigant person rate for the Claimant's unreasonable behaviour.


    Does this sound OK?

    Also copy to Claimant?

  13. On 25/11/2019 at 10:55, ericsbrother said:

    the failure to use the correct protocols costs them 25% of any claim if they are successful but is no punishment for those who lose and abuse the court process.


    You can make an unreasonable behaviours costs request without actually having a hearing.

    CPR 27.14.2(g) is the thing to quote, claim for litigant in person researcha nd preparation time of 5 hours @£19.50/hr and your postage and printing costs.


    You can also send NPM  a bill directly for their breach of the GDPR/DPA and let them know that you will take them to court for the same. VCS v  Phillip  is the persuasive case when it comes to parking so £250 will be at the lower end of damages but clearly accepted.


    It has been known for a parking co to just send the cheque upon receipt of a lba for the same but only once as far as I know



    At what stage can I claim unreasonable behavior costs?


    I was told I need to give written notice to the court of what costs/expenses I am going to claim about 7 days before the hearing.

    Do you agree?


    Also at the same time I was going to send a Skeleton.

    Some say these are not required for Small Claims, but others recommend their use and say they have helped win cases.

    What is your view please? 

  14. I will try, but I have seen many examples on forums of operators or their Solicitors deliberately filing their documents at the last minute to avoid thorough scruitiny of these.


    What is worse is that some have still been successful with their claims.


    Where is the justice in that?


    Any deadline given by the DJ should be honoured otherwise this is contempt and the case should be struck out as you say.


    NPM also went ahead with their claim without following the Pre Action Protocol, so another black mark against them!

  15. The N157 states the Claimant has to pay the court trial fee or file a properly completed application for help with fees by a date which has not yet expired, then the claim will be struck out with effect from that date.


    The DJ ordered that each party shall deliver to every other party and to the court copies of all documents on which he intends to rely at the hearing by 4 pm on the 21st October 2019.


    It was noted that the judge may decide not to take into account a document or evidence of a witness if no copy of that document or no copy of a statement or report by that witness has been supplied to the other parties.


    It is added that failure to comply with these directions may result in the case being adjourned and in the party at fault having to pay any wasted costs. It does not state the case will be struck out, only if they fail to pay the court trial fee, which they still has time to do so.   

  16. My Father already phoned the court to confirm they had not received the Claimant's WS/evidence, which they did.


    They said it will be up to the DJ if he will accept these items late, but not that they would strike out the claim.


    If they are also late paying the court free on time then that will probably be a strike out. 

  17. Just to update you. NPM are continuing with their court claim and the date is the 13th January 2020. I submitted my defence, witness statement and evidence all on time. However, tomorrow NPM will be 5 weeks late with their WS and evidence!


    I have now seen proof that NPM lost their contract for the parking management in this road. The Landowner refused to confirm this, but NPM were not seen for months, including on the busiest day of the year, Easter Sunday.


    The NPM signs have been removed and CPM have put up their signs in the road and someone has painted double yellow lines all the way round the road.


    NPM refused requests to improve signage or paint yellow lines on the road as they stated that the Landowner did not want to do this.


    CPM have not improved the signage and they are still in the dark outside of daylight hours. CPM, like NPM are members of the IPC and are breaching the same Codes of Practice in this respect and there are still no signs at the entrance of the road stating it is a Private, un-adopted road with T & C's for parking. 


    So 13th January is D day. Even if I loose I can take pleasure in knowing NPM lost hundreds of pounds in lost PCN revenue in this road after their contract was suspended and they did loose their contract completely.


    It took 4 1/2 years to get justice and this only happened because they would not cancel my PCN.


    Oh and by the way, they made big errors on their court claim. They stated that I was the keeper of the vehicle and they had the wrong location,  road name and post code!     

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