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  1. Hello BazzaS, This thread (posted in August 2016) was not written by the same person. I am Liliya = 1st Liliya = caught in November 2015 However, Lilliya = 2nd person with double "L" is another person imitating my username. I really thought Consumer Group changed the title of my thread at the beginning. Hi Lilliya, I am sorry, you are confusing people here. See people are writing more threads not concerning your topic. Why are you imitating my username? I am sure you did it intentionally.
  2. Thanks a lot dx100uk and honeybee13 Your advice were very valuable, especially when you convinced me to confess my multiple use. Hope people get some awareness of the severity of Freedom pass miss-use before it become too late.
  3. Around £1000. Well, it is a heavy cost for me comparing to the fare I avoided. Also, I mostly used it off-peak hours but TFL didn't not consider that. Sometimes between 2 zones (for just £1.50) but TFL consider all (around £5) and they did the sum to get the total. I just accept it because I could not negotiate with the prosecutor department with my overwhelmed feeling.
  4. Hello everyone! I would like to thank everyone who helps me in this forum concerning TFL fare evasion and how to get a settlement out of court. I really appreciate it. I got finally an offer to settle out of court, however with heavy cost to pay... Before starting my story, I want to say that I was just a little bit lucky to get a 2nd hearing date. I don't know whether the court got all my evidence from TFL with mitigating circumstances, or they just decided to adjourn the first one...I don't know...Anyway it was in my favour to get some more time to approach TFL prosecutor department for settlement. ------------------------------------------ So after I got the 2nd hearing date, I managed to phone the person dealing with my case, however it seems that TFL prosecution department are so busy prosecuting offenders... Then I felt they didn't review my case well with supporting documents, and it was my fault I didn't contact TFL for an update of my case for a couple of months!! (in fact I was abroad). I tried to convince TFL that a Criminal Record would have a bad effect in my future career prospects and settling here in the UK, I explained my circumstances and briefly the reasons why that did happen and I was about to cry... TFL prosecutor was not very convinced that I met the conditions of settlement out of court and told me I had an aggravating case and when I apologised in the beginning and I said I was very sorry, the prosecutor told me to say sorry at court (well I had to be very respectful as it was up to them to offer a settlement -- and they had strong evidence against me). I aslo asked if they took into account my mitigating circumstances (it seems not and I think they have loads of cases for prosecutions unfortunately !!). Then the TFL prosecutor told me to give them a call the following week... As the hearing date was approaching, I was so scared. I phoned them, I was trembling and my voice was shaking...I was so nervous about my actions and what was written against me in the Summons. I apologised, promised to never repeat again and asked if a settlement could be considered in my case, I could not concentrate well to reason with them and even I tried to have a deep breathing to talk normally but my voice kept shaking. I did not even negotiate the offer to pay for settlement (in fact, I knew I couldn't afford to pay a big offer ...so I left to them to calculate).. I just agreed to pay whatever TFL thinks it is reasonable as a result of my actions. They asked for a written response, but as I already sent them and my hearing date was approaching I got the email for the concerned person and emailed all the PROOF to settle out of court. Then after few days I got an approval but with heavy sum to pay as an alternative and it must be paid one-off before the hearing date. I was so relieved and shocked in the same time. However, I didn't call to negotiate the reasons why it was so high...they already instructed a solicitor against me and the progressing time was not in my favour. I just want to say that unfortunately I learned my lesson the very hard way...it was all my fault to not be aware of the legal proceedings for fare evasion using a freedom pass for another holder. I am very grateful to this forum to help me for my case and how to proceed further, also I am grateful to TFL people to withdraw my case. I personally prefer to pay that heavy sum to TFL than to instruct a legal lawyer in my favour..The total cost might be more. Well, it was a bad experience for me, but I will be very careful in the future. Thank you so much, I appreciate your help!!
  5. Hello again, Yes it is a magistrates court, I am not sure about attending... I think I must seek a lawyer
  6. I phoned them, asked for an update but they already sent me a court summons with allegation: ''intent to avoid a fare contrary to Section 5.3.a of the Regulation of Railways Act (1889)". I didn't receive it, maybe the landlord took all not collected letters...or someone else took it. TFL resent me a copy again. But I have a new hearing date approaching, as the first one was adjourned (I was absent at court and didn't reply via post) I am very worried as I don't know what to do next. Please help. Is it automatically to get a new hearing date if we don't reply and don't attend in person? I appreciate your advice. Thank you
  7. Yes, your opinion is very true. Have you experienced a similar case by yourself?
  8. Hi everybody, I went abroad for a couple of months, I am back now but I didn't receive any letter from TFL. Shall I contact them please to ask the progress of my case or shall I just wait? It has been now around 3 months from my last letter delivered to them. I don't know as well if something arrived in my absence and then it was lost...
  9. Hi, I personally can't give a big advice, as I was caught last month...and I don't know yet what will happen for my case. However I strongly advise you NOT to mention that your father allowed you to use it !!! You could be punished both of you by LAW. No just his freedom Pass withdrawn from you. You state:"my Dad offers to let me use his freedom pass!!! " No need to confess that at all. Try not to worry a lot, as I know it is very scared situation to get a criminal record. Try to calm down so that you can confess approximately how many times you used the pass. They can track the usage via CCTV if TFL want... when you was caught: if it was the same time/same location you were leaving/returning home for multiple times...then better to confess approximately because most probably they will suspect it was you...and they are right. Don't keep lying...it is not in your favour I think. This is what I have been advised so far from CAG forum. Thanks to them I was convinced as you know we don't like to give evidence to TFL against us. Logically speaking, it is up to them to settle out of court...However we have to pay all the previous avoided costs. ---------------------- For our point of view: we don't like to admit the multiple time Pass use, because we don't like to make our case more serious to avoid the criminal record. However, For TFL point of view: If we don't admit the multiple time Pass use, we are trying to avoid paying the previous costs. for this reason a one-off offence, have to be proved to TFL...Can you prove to TFL that it was a very honest genuine first mistake? if you can't (I can't prove it neither:) )...then for them it was you 90% So, at this stage I personally think: try to convince TFL not to proceed to court, + admit that it was not a one-off and apology Hope that goes well for both of us.
  10. Yes, I mean relevant...match better as adjective, no?? I'm improving my English skills in this forum...so helpful Thank you
  11. Hello everybody, I just want to update that I send TFL another letter today. I admit my multiple uses and how many times I used the Pass approximately. I didn't repeat the same letter, just added what is convenient to my case, apology again + ask to settle out of court + offer the cost Yesterday when I contacted TFL from the prosecution department, they were nice. I said I wanted to rectify a mistake (I mean the first version of lying ) They just took a note I used the pass on multiple occasions. ..said they have noticed that as well, the pattern showed that. ..but TFL did not ask me any more clarification. TFL said they didn't study the case yet...and at this stage they don't prosecute me. and if I want to update it should be via a letter. That is it. So now I am feeling better...just I am waiting for the outcome.
  12. Hello, Yes just today morning for less than 10 min. I preferred to take few days to calm down. I rectified my mistake that I used the Pass on multiple occasions and did apology. TFL person said they didn't study the case yet (I mean with supported documents) and they can not deal it via phone. I said that I didn't know before about the TFL legal proceedings (Criminal record, go to court and get convicted...), But TFL didn't ask how many time? or any thing else about the multiple times I used the card nor HOW/WHEN/WHERE.... Just to write to them and I will get a response after Christmas. So I didn't negotiate and forget to suggest ""the offer to pay the costs to settle out of court"" Also I completely forget to ask TFL for our phone confirmation via email. I was a little bit stressed. I just send to the generic email (For this person's attention xxx) as you told me honeybee13. So now, can I just said I used multiple occasions. That is it and wait. no more explanation. Or mention roughly how many weeks or how many days per week? Plus of course I will apology + write the mitigation circumstances again briefly. Thank you
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