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  1. yes you are right however we are not a rich family and we could not bear the cost also most of the no win no fee lawyers are only interested in injuries, i had a most interesting conversation today with the Labour leader of the council who stated that these guards had commited no wrong doing as they had not been found guilty in a court of law, now if we follow this to its logical conclusion, anyone who gets a ticket for littering or overstaying parking should refuse to pay on the same grounds, however as we all know these are Labour polticians and as always it is do as i say not as i do. at the time i looked up the law relating to kidnap and it seemed to me applicable in this case, however the police were not prepared to investigate, the police do not appear to want to put their marriage to these guards in je pardy, it seems to me that both the police and the cps are prepared to ignore the laws put in place to protect innocent people just to persue their own agendas,
  2. on talking to a polceman one day about this case he told us of the name that the police use for the CPS it is "couldn't prosecute s**t"
  3. i understand your point, and my answer is how else can i descibe an innocent person being grabbed by the arm and being turned around and dragged backwards by the neck for about 20 yards down a shopping precinct
  4. you are aabsolutely right rather tellingly while googling a related item i have found out that chesterfield police safer neighbourhood team are working closely with the team of guards that attacked my son and partner and broke the law by breeching the data protection act surely this is even more absurd than making tony blair middle east peace envoy, oh irony of ironies, i wonder who is in whos pocket it seems police corruption is alive and well in chesterfield
  5. i had an appointment arranged for yesterday afternoon with the executive director who is dealing with the complaint to see the footage of the attack on my son. the reason for this being that the cctv footage we have been given is heavily pixilated and does not show the full extent of the attack rather tellingly the time stamp is also pixilated at one point in the footage we have there is 20 or so mins of the camera looking at poundland you can only tell it is is poundland by the colours as this is totaly pixilated, needless to say on arrival at the council we were told that the executive director was off due to "illness" needless to say after all the lies we have been told we do not believe this to be the true reason
  6. Since 8-8-2013 I have been in a constant battle with chesterfield borough council over the actions of council employed security guards in the council run shopping centre on this day. My disabled partner and special needs son had gone into poundland and on-going to the checkout to pay for their items they were confronted by a security guard who demanded to search their bags. They refused and went on their way, however they had only gone a few yards from poundland when my son was set upon bythe guard who had come up behind him grabbing him by the arm and then by the neck and dragging him backwards down the shopping centre back into poundland where he was held in the front of the shop while all the time being taunted by the guard stating in a loud voice that he was a shoplifter and a thief, my son had asked the guard to identify himself and he refused. During this time my son had tried to get away to go to his mother and he was attacked again and dragged around by his lapels. This abuse went on for around 20 mins until the police arrived. My son was then subjected to a stop search which proved he had done nothing wrong, he reported to the police that he had been assaulted by the guard and they took no action. The police did instruct my son to not to go and wait outside the shop for another guard to come and speak to him, my son thought this was so the guards could come and explain their actions, however when the guards manager arrived he handed my son a six month ban from the shopping centre, an act which i consider was out of spite and vengeance for being innocent. During this time my partner who had witnessed the attack on her son decided to go into the library which is next to the shopping centre and go downstairs to use the public phone to ring me as she entered the lift she saw a guard go running downstairs, on exiting the lift she was immediately set upon by one of two guards, who forcibly grabbed her and forced her into an alcove (so it would be out of view of the cctv camera pointed down the corridor) and pinned her up against a wall, when my partner was searched by the police she was also found to have done nothing wrong. As a result of the above i placed an appeal for witnesses on a local forum, and one person contacted me stating that his girlfriend who worked in the shopping centre had seen a security guard dragging a long haired young man backwards down the precinct towards poundland however this witness would not come forward i believe out of fear of retribution from this team of abusive guards. At one point a post appeared replying to my appeal which released private information concerning the complaints I had made to the police, council and other bodies about the above attacks the post also included details of complaints i had made to the police two years earlier on an unrelated incident. As a result of the negative post i wrongly assumed that this post was posted by a policeman I contacted the police professional standards and the matter was investigated by the police counter corruption unit, as a result of this investigation it was found that this post had come from a Chesterfield Borough Council computer and the post was made by the very same team of guards who had attacked my son and partner in a blatant attempt to discredit us, rather tellingly the police did not investigate further, I believe this inaction was prompted by the fact that had they done so they would have found that the guards were fed this information by a member of the police as certain information they had posted was only available from police files. As a result of the assaults the police became involved and on taking statements from these guards told us that their statements corroborated my partner and sons account of the attacks, and the two guards who had assaulted my son and partner were charged, However the guards were by this time claiming that they had been told by the poundland manager that my son and partner had stolen something (a fact refuted by the store manager) as a result they had reasonable grounds though at no point have they stated reasonable grounds for what, the CPS bought the case to the magistrates court in December 2013 were not prepared and did not take the cctv footage to the court they were criticised by the magistrates for being unprepared and the case was adjourned until January, three days before the case was due to be heard we received a letter from the CPS stating that they were discontinuing the case as the guards had reasonable grounds, We appealed this decision under the VRR right to appeal however this is just a rubber stamp exercise and since then they have flatly refused to relook at this decision. We have complained to the council under the councils three stage complaints procedure and two years and four months later we are at step two and no further forward,
  7. evidently you need to re-read my post, one of my complaints was that the store managers statements was that "my security staff have the right to stop you inside or outside of the store" i also put in my letter about the managers total lack of knowledge on the law relating to limitations on the lawful actions of security staff to be so astounding as to be beyond belief, how can you complain to a person who is totally ignorant of the law, it would be like expecting you to accept the obvious, do you truly think i would have got a better outcome in the face of such ignorance
  8. I have complained to the chief execs office and recieved the usual bovine manure reply you know the usual sincere apology while attempting to justify the unjustifiable, what i will say is if the same thing happened tomorrow in the same way then i would respond in exactly the same way again.
  9. simply by ignoring an alarm does not by itself cause suspicion and thankfully security staff cannot stop or abuse you simply because they may or may not have a suspicion, can you not see the contradiction in your stance,which seems to be, if you were a guard you would attempt to hold someone to account for as you see it breaking the law, and to facilitate this you would if i understand correctly break the law yourself which would at least make you as bad as any law breaker if not worse as you as a security guard should know better, thankfully laws are in place to protect us from abusive security guards and apparently YOU
  10. I feel i owe you an apologie i did not realise that you had been appointed supreme arbiter of what is and is not "the decent thing" as to your use of the word "tosh" it is not tosh its the law, a law which has been put in place to protect law abiding persons from the unreasonable actions of security staff who behave in an aggressive or abusive manner, by pure coincidence much the same as the guard in this case, you say that the guard was not accusing me of theft and she just wanted to check my bag, that is clearly "tosh" if she wanted to check my bag then she WAS accusing me of theft by implication, that is of course not the case if she had some sort of bag fetish and merely wanted to check my bag to satiate her desire for some sort of sick turn on.
  11. I totally agree with the above the guards aggressive actions were clearly an attempt to intimidate me, and as such was clearly an attempt to bully me into returning to the store wasting MY time and submitting myself to a search simply because she shouted at me to do so even though she had no lawful authority to act in this manner, as has been alluded to on here by a friend of mine, i have grey hair i wear glasses and i am of of very slight build i am also very polite and reasonably well spoken, as a result of this persons have in the past mistakenly assumed that i am some sort of pushover and they can in some cases attempt push me around, and this guards actions would seem to confirm that, and as a result she came unstuck. i have no doubt this will happen again as it would appear to me that aggression is her way of dealing with problems, you cannot train out of someone what they truly are.
  12. certain people posting are completely missing the point. 1 does the alarm sounding does that mean or proove you have stolen something NO 2 if the alarm sounds do i have a legal obligation to submit myself to a search NO 3 are security staff right to exit a shop and start shouting at people NO 4 do security staff have the right to shout orders at people to return to the store NO 5 do security staff have the right to arrest or detain you because the alarm sounds NO 6 did the guard in my case give any thought to my dignity inline with her training NO 7 did the guard overstep the bounds of both decency and her own limited authority YES people can scramble around looking to excuse the guards actions for whatever spurious examples they care to produce but read the above IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE
  13. could i suggest that you read your post #21 you did indeed state i was asked to go back to the store when in fact the guard came out shouting at me telling me i had to go back into the store, if this does not constitute ordering me to comply to her dictat without the authority to do so, then i must be on drugs or from another planet
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