A question I ask everyone I detain for theft. Why primark? House of fraiser or river Island is around the corner? ?

Wow?? really?? in which stores may I ask?? Im pretty sure this is a breach of data protection and can cause a major disruption in any law.... I would look into that much further, as all people arrested have there pics on the police data, and after careful consideration and legit reasons issued to stores that work within a citybeat (kinda like neighbour hood watch) but not to be shown to anyone outside of the work force that hasnt signed a data protection act form....... This is serious, please let me know which stores do this, I will personally take legal action against them....

This is soo true, I find myself in dilemas several times on a daily basis, and I have to admit, none of them are easy, coz you have those taking price tags of garments, you have to prove their intentions, if they go into a fitting room, you have to prove that they still have it on them, and didnt dump it, you also have to prove that they didnt own this item before entering the shop, let alone not having a recipt, there are many more factors that must be considered, before it is a risk.... but in fairness, I am trained to notice elements and I am aware that these can and will change, as the law changes so do peoples behaviours and tatics.. never a day goes by where im not learning something new... common factor of theft is proving fraud by miss-representaion... (excuse my spellings) we have soo much more to do than meets the eye, but have a lable of thugs (rent-a-thugs) supercops, lazy man on an easy job. you dont see the world that we see, we have to see you, what u have, who ur with, what are they doing, what u wearing, what time it was at, when it happened, why it happened, can we prove you done it, how we can prove it, also taking into account, everyother person that enters the store we have to strip every analigy that we were taught, whilst keeping a perfessional look after working a 12 hr shift, people find it hard to muster a smile.... all the while we have every customer coming in, looking at us like we are the **** and making it hard for us to conduct our daily job, that we are paid to do, tho yes i understand there will always be those that ruin it for the rest of us... what im trying to say, those that get treated badly, should complain to the SIA... instore security to the CEO of the company.... dont even worry about the manager, go straight to the top, coz if u goto a manager they will most likley inform security.. and this will prevent them doing it to anyone else elsewhere.... if the right ppl dont know the problems are there, how or why would they change it.... recently i have had to report a colleague for miss use of CCTV, and am doing an internal investagationon behalf of the company.. Seems only I had the balls to stand up and tell him to stop, if I didnt then the company would be none the wiser. If you dont make a stand now, it will only get worse, and this is a very sad and dangerous fact

The reason they now ask you if you had money on you, is to prove your intent.. if you had enough money on you to purchase the goods you had stolen, then that shows you had intent on stealing... other wise you would have produced the itemd at the checkout/till/cash point.. If you have no money on you it can show desperation and we all know, desperate times calls for desperate measures. and people dont think straight when its not an option... when u have the money, you have an option that those that are poor dont have...

I was in a very similar sitaution last year... I got the letters continuoulsy for a few months. I completely ignored them!! Then they stopped coming. I just received one again last week (over a year later)... I understand RLP, I dont agree with it, only recently where i live this has come into effect, before this, it was a straight prossecution or caution, no inbetweens or grey areas. unfortuantley, i belive mistake or not, if you wernt caught then, would you stop?? dont think so, you would carry on and on until you get caught. this is where the problem lays.... the fine, is to prevent any further time from the police and security, rather than goin through the courts, you get a fine.... you dont pay it (i cant speak of knowledge) but im guessing the more ppl dont pay it the more likely it will be made law in due course or something else that will make it all worse for everyone else.... just saying... this seems to be an easier punishment than goin to court and haveing it on your criminal record...

correct, security have no legal power to conduct these actions, and only the police are abled to do so.. I would be worried if security had the ability to do this, considering it clearly shows most security cant even perform their own duties lol

omg,im in total shock here, the more i read the more amazed I am by the responce in regards to security officers working on behalf of Primark.... Let me tell you a little background about myself.. I am a security officer employed by a company (legal reasons i can not mention) that is contracted by Primark.. and in the 4 years Ive worked there I have never seen such resentment nor power tripped stories.... I can only assume these are the primarks in the mainlands... I would like to point out the main factors on which is required from us as security.. firstly a guard is purely a deterrant to shoplifters, occasionally working as a team, most of the other times alone.... some stores have CCTV some do not, some have anything from 2-8 officers on the premisses at one time others only 1... it all depends on how busy or how much loss... Now, when you have a team of 2 or more in a building, there is most likely to be a store detective (non uniformed). they are the ones that do most of the catches (as this is what my main duty is). Now to read all these different stories about what a guard/officer has done has and still does dumfond me as to how they can get away with this.... we are all trained to a SIA standard which holds us 100% liable for a wrongful arrest as a guard/officer must be 110% sure before stopping anyone.... the sheets they write on were statements and their own detective sheets, gaining as much info about you as possible, but, in all seriousness, its for their own records to prove they are doing their jobs... if no police were involved nothing else will come of it... chances are an exclosure was presented to you, denying you access to most (if not all) shops in the area. (legally binding) regardless to you signing it or not. however where i live, we do not issue these anymore. further more. we have no right to place our hands in your belongings more several reasons, but the main reasons have already been mentioned by someone else. we can not prove your details are correct, which is why the police get involved to prove this, we have no power that you do not have, unless you did steal, but the power we have is only a citizens arrest, nothing more nothing less. we do have the right to detain you until the police arrive (however long that may be) you committed a crime and we witnessed it, we have all the rights there until the police say different) once we have detained, the police arrive, we hand over our evidence and they deal with the issue, its out of our hands..... we cant hold grudges in this job, and we can not discriminate.. yet im hearing more and more of this happening, which (sorry to say) ****es me off.. i work to my best, i dont stop anyone unless I have seen them select the item, conceal and and leave without paying, anyone of these that i dont see, i wont stop at all, not even as a risk, we have a license and if we dont do things properly we will loose our license, and in effect our job... Please please please, I must stress, if you have been treated unfaily and you were innocient, dont let it lie, take it as far as you can, because those that take the risk and are wrong deserve to have their license revoked so they will either have to be retrained or will loose their job (the latter is normally the case) . but dont let them carry on as you wont be the last, make a stand and make them realise, they cant treat you like this coz they are security...... I will gladly answer any questions in regards to security, but can not nor will i name the company or area i live..