As others have said, this is total bunkum! If you Google those words or a section of it you can see how common your computerised template reply is: clicky

But the OfT have already moved to be 'minded to revoke' Roxburghe's credit licence! So why not newlyn, if they get enough case complaints? Check the Roxburghe revoking licence thread for the name of the chap at the OfT who deals with debt-collector complaints. It was posted last week or so. Newlyn's lies are worse than Roxburghe letters so I think the more complaints the better.

I have sorted out the lack of paragraphs so I could read your post, hope that's OK and helps others too. Have you had any rejection of your informal appeal yet, as you will probably get a rejection at this stage? Of so please post a pic or scan of their reply letter. And please post a reply here with a digital pic or scan of the P.C.N., both sides, all the small print (just blank out your car reg and the PCN number, leave all the dates visible and the location). In the meantime, you should email the Council tomorrow but WITHOUT mentioning the P.C.N. and using a different name and email addy than you used to appeal. Simply email a one-liner asking for a PDF of the Parking Places Order or Traffic Order for the bays in question (stipulate exactly where you want to see the Order for, but do not mention the PCN as your request is not an appeal). You then can check if the Order is valid, matches the signs & lines and the penalty amount, etc., and you can also show posters here a link to the Order for them to check for flaws. As the Order overrides any lines and signs then it is important to check it. You are much more likely to win by pursuing an appeal based on the Traffic Order or PCN being flawed, than on hearsay/complaints about a CEO.

I would disagree, I think there are grounds for appeal here - and why on earth would you not appeal all the way now that you have 'lost' the discount? Is the notice a Notice to Owner? And it says the P.C.N. was served on you, when it wasn't? They should have sent a postal PCN (REG 10) for a drive-off and they haven't, by the sound of it, they have just sent a NtO? QUOTE Reg 10(4) Gen Regs 3483 4) Subject to paragraph (6), a regulation 10 penalty charge notice may not be served later than the expiration of the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which, according to a record produced by an approved device, or information given by a Civil EnforcementOfficer, the contravention to which the penalty charge notice relates occurred (in these Regulations called “the 28-day period”). QUOTE

Google the words 'PPC letters, what to expect' and you find this thread (the link may be removed as this forum sometimes frowns on USEFUL info stored on other forums being linked): http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2214803 Anyway, it shows exactly whcih letters come and when.

You will have to sue the parking company and the Managing Agent jointly and severally as they are both liable. Include in your Small Claim, along with the towing fee, the cost of the damage repair (take photos of the damage) and your expenses/Court fees &interest at 8%APR. First you must send both parties a very clear, short and to the point Letter Before Action 'this is what happened, this is why it was unlawful, pay up or you will be taken to Court'. You can search here and online generally for the term Letter Before Action. You should quickly get the idea of what is needed and I think on CAG there is a Small Claim Guide. You'll need a Small Claim form from your local CountyCourt, most people here would not suggest you do this online as there is apparently a lack of space for particulars of claim. You need to start thinking about why the tow was unlawful/unfair, what does your lease say about your right to park?

I can see the attachment is a Charge Certificate. You absolutely must not ignore the Authority - but did you ignore one letter? Did they send a Notice to Owner (are you the owner/keeper of the vehicle)? If you are the owner and are certain that you did not get a Notice to Owner, then what you must do next is very important. You need to keep that Charge Cert safe and wait for the next letter, the Order for Recovery (TE3) and then complete the witness statement (TE9) ticking the appropriate box that you never received the NtO. Post or email it to the Traffic Enforcement Centre. Once the order for recovery and charge certificate is quashed the enforcement authority can either cancel the original P.C.N. or refer the matter to the parking tribunal. No point entering into any communications with the authority at this point in time as you 'only' have a Charge Certificate and must await the Order for Recovery. DO NOT ignore that or it will be bailliffs time!

So you haven't got the debt-collector letters yet then? Your wife will love those: Roxburghe letter Graham White effort number one Graham White effort number two Graham White effort number three Try hard don't they? If your wife pays this then she really would be stark raving mad (sorry!) - it would be like paying a phishing emailer. The letters are bothersome but completely ignorable as they are just hot air. You owe nothing at all, do not fall for this for one minute. Has your wife seen the Watchdog clip in full? Just be totally ready for debt-collector letters like those shown. It may not be Roxburghe/Graham White but the wording will be similar, lots of threats interspersed with 'ifs, buts and maybes'. All of them make good paper aeroplanes.

Google the words 'PPC letters, what to expect' and you will see what letters happen next, do not be intimidated because they are very misleading indeed. The letters from Newlyn(debt-collector) are among the worst for lies and misleading information suggesting bailliffs will call (cannot happen outside of a Court case). Wait for the letters to arrive, collect them, take copies and make a complaint to the OfT and your MP: OFT http://www.oft.gov.uk/ complaints about debt-collectors for the attention of James Waldron Local MP via http://www.writetothem.com/ No need to come back every time you get the next letter if you know what's coming! HTH

No need, the letter looks like this doesn't it? Newlyn first letter after Civil Enforcement rubbish fake P.C.N. To see the other letters you will get, go to where I got this from. Just Google 'PPC letters, what to expect' and you can view the whole letter-chain as posted on another forum I am apparently not allowed to link to here. Newlyns letters are among the worst for lies and misleading suggestions of bailliffs (which cannot happen outside of Court). Collect a few letters as per the pictures on that preview you will find online, take copies of your actual versions in the coming weeks & complain to the OfT and your MP: OFT http://www.oft.gov.uk/ complaints about debt collectors for the attention of James Waldron Local MP via http://www.writetothem.com/ HTH

Hi Donna, Yes you should never have contacted them as it's futile but just ignore them now. No worries, no harm done, did your refusal letter look like this one? Standard template letter from Parking Eye, same as ever: http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb443/jo332/img005.jpg Google the words 'PPC letters, what to expect' and you will be able to find a preview of all the debt-collector threatograms that you and your OH can enjoy making paper aeroplanes from, as per the Watchdog solicitor's advice: HTH

Yep. Everyone gets this letter, here it is again, snap! (very common, this is not mine BTW): http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m604/FTPPCs/AthenaLetter3-1.jpg It's a standard computerised template threatogram. Ignore it. Google the words 'PPC letters, what to expect' and the result will show you pictures of Athena's whole letter-chain, that's where I got the above picture from. Then you will know what to ignore next, pathetic rubbishy letters from LRC unless they have changed their debt-collector recently. Debt-collectors are just pen pushers, they cannot send the boys round nor affect your credit rating as there is no credit agreement involved. Nothing happens, it's bothersome but that's it, like ignoring annoying phishing emails.

Ooooh what if I stayed for 4 hours at the car park where I got my fake P.C.N. 3 years ago, and the signs said 2 hours? Did I feel guilty? No, like you I was shopping in and around the site as per planning consent at that car park. And I had my disabled Mum with me but they never asked that because they don't care either way (it was a different PPC). Like in your case they reckon they have CCTV in that car park - who cares, that's there to stop criminal offences, spot known shoplifters etc., not to zoom in on individual cars parking all day long! No-one has pictures of you, maybe a photo of the car but so what? Did anything come of it, of course not! This isn't a fine, it's a protection racket where the PPCs just use threats. As Al27 says, OPC are a bit more stupid than some PPCs as they occasionally waste money trying Court and losing. Please get out of the mindset that you think you have done something 'wrong'. You have done nothing wrong and owe no money to OPC. Watch this Watchdog clip from start to finish, it explains why we are right to tell you to ignore this whole thing, and the solicitor uses a fake P.C.N. with a picture of a car on it as his example (big deal): HTH, now relax.

Pretty much every other member on here has ignored similar letters I would think, me included. These companies DO NOT do Court, they do threats and you are nearly at the end. For God's sake don't fall for this now! If you pay them you have been had, hook, line and sinker and would be helping to fund their sorry protection racket operation elsewhere. Anyone who pays is a mug or totally uninformed and I am sure you are neither. Google these words 'PPC letters, what to expect' and look at the result you get, your letters may be on there, especially the debt-collector ones but listed under another parking company. County Parking seem to have sent out a batch of these letters this last week or so, for old cases where people have rightly ignored them. I have seen another post about them this week, same letter being ignored. It's just one last desperate attempt to extort money from you now that the debt-collector has returned the file marked 'give up'. Watchdog make the position very clear in this clip: DO NOT PAY AND DO NOT CONTACT THEM AT ALL. WE THINK ONE MORE THREATOGRAM AND IT WILL END.

We have heard of Jason Brierley and we have heard of PCS. See my reply on your other thread. Carry on ignoring them and get on with your life.

The letters from PCS are well known and mean nothing. It's not just this forum that tells people to ignore PPC fake PCNs you know! Just Google 'Parking Charge Notice ignore' and see if you can find a forum telling you NOT to ignore one! Also the letters from PCS can be seen in pictures if you also search the words 'PPC letters, what to expect'. The result will show you what others have received and what comes next, if anything. And you mentioned about asking a solicitor about this matter? It's already out there, covered by Watchdog over a year ago with an expert solicitor, Tim Cary. It's just a shame that Watchdog have been a little more cagey with their advice since (the law hasn't changed, the position is still the same): Once you have seen that link and Googled for the letter-chains in pictures you will know the score here. Shocking that it's allowed, isn't it? This is a speculative invoice - the follow up from PCS is just another instalment of something akin to a series of phishing emails. The latest letter should have been used to line the cat litter tray, not worried about as if it meant something just because their letter-heading looks prettier! Keep on ignoring. There will be no Court, no CCJ, no Bailliffs, no effect on your credit rating. NOTHING.

Of course not. It was only NCP, they only do threats by phone and post then give up. They never ever do Court.

I only had to read your heading to know the answer. 'Parking Charge Notice' (insert ANY private company name here) = IGNORE IT. Why did your wife email them? Did you think they would allow appeals? No harm done now, you have learnt a lesson to ignore them next time you collect one of these bogus PCNs. Your wife is not 'guilty' of anything - this is a speculative invoice and should have been used to line the cat litter tray, not responded to as if it meant something! Roxburghe letters are followed by more standard computerised templated threads of legal action on Graham White headed notepaper. Ignore them too - in fact they come from Roxburghe anyway, passing themselves off as a solicitor to try to scare the unwary into paying. Google these words 'PPC letter-chains, what to expect' to see a preview of the letters to ignore, from Roxburghe aka Graham White. The Google result will take you to a useful list of letters, with pictures, so you can see what comes next - in fact you need to look not at the 'Meteor' entry but at all the other examples of Roxburghe/Graham White letters other PPCs use as their entries show more of the letter-chain. Keep on ignoring. There will be no Court, no CCJ, no bailliffs, no effect on your credit rating. NOTHING. Watchdog on the subject are clear: Once you have seen that link and Googled for the letter-chains in pictures you will know the score here. Shocking that it's allowed, isn't it?

No you haven't been threatened with bailiffs. Read the letter again (then file it in the bin!). You have been threatened with debt collectors. Pen pushers, no more. Why on earth did you fall for it and appeal, it's not a fine?! Should have ignored from start to finish, private PCNs and the threatogram letters are just a load of claptrap. IGNORE FROM NOW ON.

Obviously ignore it like everyone does online (Google 'Lidl Parking Charge ignore'). Also Google 'PPC letters, what to expect' for another forum's preview of the debt-collector idle threats that the registered keeper can happily ignore. Do not let yourself, Mum or Dad be scared by the templated threatograms, it's all rubbish and no-one is ever taken to Court by Lidl's PPC (Town and City or Athena?). Show your Mum and Dad the Watchdog video below. For once, Mum and Dad are WRONG and would have been hoodwinked if they had fallen for this. Educate them please about this, show them the PPC letters by searching as I suggest, and show them Watchdog's Solicitor: It's up to you whether you can stop yourself saying to your parents 'I told you so!'

No, a car displaying a disabled badge CANNOT be clamped or blocked in or towed, it's a well-known SIA licence breach. Seriously why are there so many wrong posts on this forum from people who don't know? http://www.sia.homeoffice.gov.uk/Pages/home.aspx Unless your employer or company has been given an exemption under Section 4(4) of the Private Security Industry Act 2001, it is a criminal offence to undertake the licensable activities of a vehicle immobiliser without an SIA licence. An exemption is applicable only where the company in question has been granted approved contractor status by the SIA and the other conditions of Section 4(4) have also been met. Every condition must be met for this section to be applied. In addition to holding a valid SIA licence, vehicle immobilisers must observe the following requirements: A vehicle must not be clamped / blocked / towed if: a valid disabled badge is displayed on the vehicle. it is a marked emergency service vehicle which is in use as such. [*]Any licence holder who collects a release fee must provide a receipt, which must include the following: the location where the vehicle was clamped or towed. their own name and signature their licence number. the date.

In post number 12 on the first page I already explained what to do: QUOTE just to make it clear, you can still win on appeal! Get someone to check & take a pic of EVERY possible entrance to that CPZ and where the signs are (left hand side only?). If time is running out then bung in an appeal based on not seeing any signs and that you believe there were not signs on both sides of the road anyway at the entrance to the zone. QUOTE Then in my next post I also told you about the missing CPZ signs on Googlestreetview, you only had to look not wait for other people to give you links... So why the sudden surprise at being given the same links you could have seen yourself days ago, and why the heck could your friend not see the signs? This is a very frustrating thread. All you have to do is bung in an informal appeal by letter or maybe email, the PCN tells you how. What makes you think tomorrow is your last day? What is the date on the PCN? Have you shown us a pic of the PCN yet?

I would like to know a contact name in the OfT as well, I am happy to collate some online information about what Roxburghe get up to. Also I believe we should all now raise this with the DVLA for them to investigate (i.e. block Roxburghe), since a FOI showed for some reason that Roxburghe (a debt-collector!) were in the top 5 'parking companies'(?!) who reckoned they had reason to get DVLA info last year. I know Roxburghe stick their nose in lots more areas than parking 'debts' but this makes interesting reading I think: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2011/04/dvla_driving.html QUOTE BBC WATCHDOG BLOG (from April Fool's day!): '...response to our FOI (number one Parking Eye down to number five Roxburghe UK)? I can confirm that the companies have been listed below in the order in which the most requests were made. Parking Eye Ranger Services APCOA Parking Excel Parking Roxburghe UK 5. How does the DVLA check that private parking companies are complying with the BPA code of practice before the DVLA supplies registered keeper details to those companies? Each company is required to demonstrate compliance with the BPA Code of Practice before membership will be granted....' QUOTE That BBC blog is worth reading and surely mega complaints to the DVLA must now flood in. How could Roxburghe pass themselves off as having 'reasonable cause' for the info anyway since they are not a parking company? Who was stopping Roxburghe gathering info to just pass on to DVLA banned companies then? What are the DVLA going to do about the latest developments?

Great news! Well done! They are obviously trawling a few cases to try to win one or two undefended, by default.

We told you what signs to check out on page one of this thread, we have already explained that there have to be CPZ signs on both sides of the road at EVERY possible entrance into the zone to get to where you parked: QUOTE 'Get someone to check & take a pic of EVERY possible entrance to that CPZ and where the signs are (left hand side only?). If time is running out then bung in an appeal based on not seeing any signs and that you believe there were not signs on both sides of the road anyway at the entrance to the zone. QUOTE All you had to do was check for 2 signs at every possible entrance to that zone. If you haven't done that, it's what you must do now. TBH if you cannot do that you may as well just pay up IMHO, and I never normally say that to anyone! Forget questions about the white lines which is irrelevant since you parked on one of the yellow lines within what the Council alleges is a CPZ.