One good point is to ask will they pay the Police fine for driving with an obstruction adhered to the outside of the vehicles windscreen and clearly in the line of sight? Mine was stuck dead in front of the divers seating position; so, I suppose I should really have had the vehicle lifted on to a towing unit, then taken home and deposited on my drive......If I was being really picky.... I would be interested, under the Freedom of Information Act, to see if they had any prosecutions for removal of a ticket? Anyone tried the FOIA with them yet?

Same as my ticket.........Good isn't it.....;) I'll post my first letter for your entertainment...........

Thanks Al. Like reading about cases such as the one attached, it sheds light on the background.

Oooh.....You are naughty.... I spoke to a parking manager friend of mine at the Council today and he said ignore it as they always prosecute under the wrong piece of legislation anyway. He said they tend to try and use Council dictums as a way of scaring drivers, but they should really be looking at a tort of trespass. May just send the envelopes/"cheques" for a bit of fun. I'm really surprised that no one has asked the Police to intervene and get them on harassment charges yet..!

You are all stars, many thanks.......I await the tirade....... Just been talking to an administrator/legal student in my business and they said "I never pay any of them, even if it's the Council"..... My wife just said "just let them take us to court"... Head screwed on right methinks..... Peace.

Hi, first time poster, long time reader.... Got hit with a CT fine yesterday for parking on the Moorgate retail Park car park, Bury yesterday. Drove from work at 11:00am, parked in the car park (size of a football field with 6 cars in it..!!!) for two reasons. In terms of the actual offence, they claim I abused (what is reason 0022?) their parking system by leaving the area. Whilst I did; to pick up a prescription, (they ticketed me at 11:10am) I also returned at 11:18am and bought some oil from Halfords (receipt time is 11:28am). Relatively straight forward; however, taking the "abusing" note into consideration, had I wanted to simply "park and run", it may have been easier for me to have left the vehicle closer to the pharmacy, as they have a car park immediately adjacent to the building (Derby Way) and not too far from the retail park, plus it is free for short periods..!! As an aside, if they have no barrier system in place, a logged "arrival" time for my vehicle plus (I assume) no way of knowing that I left the site; what is the basis of the charge, other than trespass (a tort, not contractual)? Surely, they cannot confirm whether I was in attendance, was in store, was deliberately using their car park to access "other" businesses, planning on returning to purchase? I have seen much talk of "no contract"; by this I assume the four tennets: 1. Offer 2. Acceptance 3. The intention to enter into a legally binding agreement 4. Exchange If this is the case, point 1....Yes; 2....No, as I hadn't seen the relatively small signs; 3....Definitely not; 4.....I suppose this would constitute the purchase from Halfords? In this respect, I assume I did not hold a contract? As for the DVLA, CT have a voluntary agreement with their CoP (very brief CoP I might add..!!) and; as it is NOT an approved CoP, is not actually statute, but will hold some leverage in civil prosecutions. On the down side, it has very little for the motorist in terms of useful loopholes (probably why it's short..!!), so it's not surprising they quote it at "appeals". Finally, the Woolf reforms mean any information should be provided prior to a civil hearing in order that the opposing parties can sort their problems out before it is heard in court. Evidence needs to be seen and supporting documentation; so do I ask for their evidence of my alleged "crime" (dated/timed CCTV/photographs)? Unfortunately, in my haste (bearing in mind I was feeling ill (Pharmacy visit) and somewhat angry), I did contact them (through their website) asking for an e-mail address so the matter could be dealt with expeditiously. They now have the ticket reference, my work e-mail address and mobile number, but bugger all else. Bit of a mistake, but I can't reverse that now. Reading a lot of the comments on this forum it seems the best thing to do is ignore the charge and sit tight through the letter/e-mail/phone barrage..... Any comments would be greatly appreciated...... Peace and thanks/well done to all the "helpers" on here..!!