Another begging letter. Still waiting for the LoC.

Had a lovely letter from Debt Recovery Plus. Informing me that most people settle this matter straight away, how I can pay, how I can pay if I'm having difficulties and what'll happen if I don't pay! They finished with this paragraph: Bless! Still sticking with the plan dx. Does anyone have some background or further info on the quoted 'ruling'?

As is my intention dx.

Update... New contract angle appears to be an error. They've been there a while. 1 begging letter received and a follow-up reminder, usual threats but nothing that's bothering me yet. I've taken pics of the signage, they are impossible to read fully as the base of the signage is approx 2.5m high rising to approx 3m at the top.

Thanks ericsbrother, I'll get on to it. It appears that they had taken on the contract that very morning, so I'm one of their very lucky first victims. Waaaay

Thanks dude, I'll update when/if anything happens.

Thanks dx100uk. So what do i do now? Is there a form letter to send? Appeal? Sit tight, etc, etc?

Aaah! Misunderstanding, it was an MNPR capture not ANPR so no pics 'in and out'. My reference to pics was that they took many of my car in the bay, one from the front, rear and sides etc. See attached pdf: SAR-Redacted BTW Pic 5 only shows a partial VRN - the only pic that shows a portion of someones VRN and a lack of BB visibility. subject-access-request-redacted.pdf

Sorry mate, I don't understand, all pix are of a car that I'm the registered keeper of, that were allegedly parked in a contractual space. I've been led to believe that specifics like times, reg no, etc should be omitted. please correct me if i'm wrong. What do you mean by 'so they don't even say where you got done over?' Honestly, I don't wish to come across as obtuse, but I really don't understand.

For PCN's received through the post [MNPR] please answer the following questions. 1 Date of the infringement 03/11/19 2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 06/11/19 3 Date received 9/11/19 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] No mention of Schedule 4 – Only ...“Made under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012” 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes - There was only one pic with the NTK so I made a SAR and was provided with pics from both sides, rear and front. 6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A 7 Who is the parking company? UKCPS Ltd 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] XXXXXX Shopping Park – No mention of City/Town For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. - 1st instance, via: UKCPS.zatappeal.com - 2nd instance if unsuccessful to: theIAS.org There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure, please check HERE If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here There was only one pic with the NTK so I made a SAR and was provided with pics from both sides, rear and front. Sorry fellow members, my post above seems cold and demanding, I was editing it to state that I would really like your help but ran out of time, I've given as much info as I can think of, but if you do need more, please ask. NTK front and back redacted.pdf

Seems you could be right MiM ...

Whoops, it's been there a while now, plenty of signs too!

Bleedin' marvelous. Been paying these clowns for just short of two years. I even had a problem today in trying to initiate the claim procedure. Logged on here and what did I find? I've logged everything, including asking for a copy of the notes she took whilst on the phone. I'll keep you posted.

Thanks very much for the letter modifications Wonkey. I too was flagging last night, I'd been on the site and or drafting letters for 13hrs. Are you suggesting that this is the letter to send to RMBC's CEO?

Trust me, I was in a terrible state, bowl at both ends and arms and legs like dead-weights. No girly stuff, this was proper man-flu. Can I? This is the kind of stuff I want to establish, if anyone's got any legislation links alluding to this I'd be very (jaffa-cakey) grateful! You're asking me more questions than I asked you LOL. I thought it was but as Ploddertom pointed out it could be a 'he said - she said' battle. If they had considered my application in Mar '10 as quickly as they did in Jan '11 after I'd kicked up the mother of all stinks, then I wouldn't be in this mess. A complaint will be going to the Local Gov Ombudsman methinks. I'll do that after I get the decision on the back-dated CTB claim. Cheers, I'm gonna need it.

I can only afford one packet, I might be able to stretch to a 'twin pack' they're on at Asda's for £ at the moment. Dark chocolate ones too!!!

Letter and email going tomorrow. I'll get the letter 'signed for' and copy it to the MP, CEO and Councillor. They will then be able to see that Arsendales fail to respond to communications from their victims. (if the posts here are anything to go by)

Yep, email and snail mail going tomorrow. I want that ****** de-certificated.

Yeah, I read the small print a few weeks ago. Do not withhold payment while CTB is being assessed or something along them lines. Thing is I lost my business in this financial mess UK PLC is in and I was and still am boracic. I've racked all my cards up to the gunnels, defaulted on every credit agreement and am in about £75k of debt. I just couldn't find the money. My fault and no plea, I know that. But if you ain't got it, you ain't got it.

Hahaha If I see the lovely fella, I'll sit out the garden with him, enjoying a nice glass of Pimms together. I'm going to send the OP to our local MP, he and his wife are family 'pals', My local Councillor and to the CEO of RMBC, reminding the latter that RMBC is "vicariously liable for the bailiffs actions and as such are laying RMBC open to litigation by employing these people." (A line I culled from here earlier today). As I see it there has been no levy and no invitation to enter the premises. Given that he lied as to his employer and pushed my Missus past to enter, is that a peaceable entry? Can he return with a drill and force his way in?

Sorry guys, this could be a long post. Having spent the last 8hrs trawling through the various Council Tax (CT), Rossendales and Bully-Boy Bailiff threads, I'm going to try and answer all your questions in this OP. Obviously, if there is something that I've not covered, then please don't hesitate to ask! In the beginning, God created Earth and saw that it was too good, so he decided to knacker it up for all of us by creating Local Councils and Bailiffs. No seriously, start again. In March (7th) 2010, I received a letter from Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council (RMBC) stating that as my entitlement to JSA (Cont. Based) had been exhausted, then I was no longer entitled to Council Tax Benefit (CTB). I applied for JSA (Income Based) at my local JobCentre+ and was turned down as my partner earned - as I remember - £2 per week beyond the threshold. I informed RMBC of this and was advised to submit a new application for CTB enclosing the usual pay-slips, statements etc. I did this and returned it the same day and received a letter from RMBC thanking me for the info and here are my docs back. Two weeks later I received a letter from RMBC asking for these same documents, I phoned and was just asked to re-send them as they had no record. I asked how I could have got the 'Thank you' letter but was told no, we've never had them please send them so we can process... blather , blather. I sent them again the same day. - Two weeks or so later the docs were returned with the same 'Thanks' letter. Approx 2-3 weeks later I received another letter from RMBC asking for these same documents again, I phoned and was just asked to re-send them as they had no record. I asked how I could have got the 'Thank you' letter twice but was told no, we've never had them please send them so we can process... blather. This went on and on and on - but the gaps were getting wider - until I received a Magistrates Court Summons for Sept 2010 Unpaid CT for March 2010). I was keen to attend the summons as I could demonstrate to the Magistrate that I had fulfilled all the requests from RMBC and I even arrived with a copy of 'The Local Tax Digest 1996' which highlighted a case which seemed similar and relevant to mine, i.e. RMBC's inability to process CTB application. I showed these to a group of RMBC employess that were standing outside the courtroom door when I was stopped by them and asked if I was here regarding a CT Summons. When I replied in the affirmative I was asked if I was going to contest and again answered in the affirmative. One of the RMBC staff then ushered me towards an office and said 'We can deal with this in here, there's no need for it to go to Court!' Now call me naive if you will, but to my detriment, after I explained everything that had happened thus far, I did as was directed and immediately took myself away to RMBC's main building to plead my case there in person. As I was doing so, unbeknown to me at the time, RMBC's staff at the Magistrate Court allowed the case to proceed and a Liability Order was granted, effectively, they denied me access to the Magistrate to plead my case. Whilst I was in RMBC's main office I completed another CTB Application (the 6th) and I informed them that I couldn't provide statements (bank) or payslips as they had not returned them the last time. I was assured that by the provision of A/C and S/Code numbers they could check the info they needed without them. Guess what happened next. Yep, two weeks later, a letter from RMBC demanding said payslips and bank statements!! You couldn't make it up. I called, told them what I was told at their offices and was assured that there would be no problem, they could work around it. Having heard nothing from RMBC regarding the still unanswered CTB claim, I fired off a rather curt letter to them on the 17th Nov, detailing the non responses and continually lost forms. I heard nothing from them and got distracted with it all in the run-up to Christmas. In December, I received another summons (unpaid CT 10/11), as you can guess by now I was really looking forward to this and had a wealth of information and complaints about RMBC to present to the Court. As fate so often does intervene I had caught ‘the lurgy’ and was in a dreadful state along with my little boy (2yr old) and was in no state to attend. I called the Court as early as possible (09:00-09:30, I can’t remember exactly ‘cause as Pink Floyd had described many years ago, “My (hands) head just felt like two balloons”. I was told that nothing could be done, the Court would decide if it was possible to adjourn the case. I pleaded that there was a lot of it about (flu) and I really wanted to state my case. Court will decide. Sorry! I heard nothing after the Court date and assumed it had been adjourned. During January, after a number of telephone calls and letters to RMBC vainly trying to follow through on my CTB claim, I was told that they had no record of my application and another would have to be submitted by me and to add insult to injury, they suggested that I go to RMBC’s main building and do so in person. I did. On January 18th at approx 18:30, while I was out of the house, my wife answered a knock at the door. We have a boisterous 2yr old son and so as a precaution, he loves to run past you and out down the path, so as is the norm she picked him up under one arm and opened the door. At that point the door burst open, knocking my son and pushing my wife off balance. She managed not to fall but screamed in fright as a 6ft+, long haired bloke pushed her backwards. He then said, ‘Calm down love, I’m only from the council, it’s about your CT. It’s bloody tipping down out there and I’m freezing! At this point he was a good 6-8ft into the hallway and my wife said, Welshdean’s not in at the moment, so you can’t come in and walked past him to hold the door open so he could return back to the step. Understandably she was very rattled and even if he was the Pope, he needed to be outside. He pressed her to confirm her name, D.O.B. and N.I. No, which she did. He then walked into the living room, defying my wife’s insistence that he should wait outside until I returned home. He insisted that he just needed her signature to confirm that he’d been and he could be on his way. Now she’s of a suspicious disposition and signed it as ‘unread’ and date/time stamped it. As she was writing she informed him that we have a photo-copier and she wanted to run a copy off to show me and to keep for our records, informing him that she suffers from dyslexia and could never read and digest information when in a flustered state and being put under pressure. As soon as she lifted the pen from the paper, he snatched the sheet and tucked it into a pile on his lap. My wife remonstrated that she wasn’t aware what she’d signed and wanted a copy, but he repeatedly refused to do so. He (as far as she’s aware) didn’t make a list of any sort, but did produce a form similar to a ‘Car Hire Agreement’ showing a two-dimensional ‘flattened’ image of a car. He then said, you haven’t got a car then have you? She replied in the negative and he rose from the sofa and started to leave. As he got to the doorway he turned and handed her a ‘Notice of Bailiffs Attendance’ for each of the liability orders. There is no time or date on the form, simply a demand for £197.50 + costs for each LO. Upon arriving home I called the number on the forms and left a torrent of abuse on his voicemail regarding the mistreatment of my wife. He called me back and insisted that she invited him in and the only thing she signed was a copy of the forms he’d left us. I heard no more from them. On the 21st Jan I received another letter from RMBC, stating that they were in receipt of my letter (Nov 17th) and would I like to come into their offices to discuss it. I immediately made an appointment and filled in another CTB claim form of which I received a positive decision for the period of Jan 31st to the end of their financial year. Good times! I enquired via the telephone when the back-dated period of the claim would be decided and I was told that would take a month. No worries there I hope as the delay is clearly their fault and I was financially worse off then than the period covered by the awarded CTB. We’ll see though! This morning I received a letter from Rossendales. In capitalised, bold red 20pt lettering it states ‘Final Reminder – Do Not Ignore. Dear sir/madam, despite previous reminders (we’ve had none) you haven’t paid, blah, blah. When the van attends you will be liable for additional costs, in order to avoid the removal of your goods you must contact us immediately on ….tel numbers.’ Again in bold red 20pt lettering, it goes on ‘ No further reminders will be issued’. So that’s it, thanks if you stayed to the end, my questions are many. What can I do? What should be my priority? Have RMBC or Rossendales acted illegally? How can I bring closure to this quickly and relatively easily? Please help, a box of Jaffa-Cakes will be awarded to whoever helps the most to end this nonsense.