Mike your an angel. We are all wishing you & your client success. Could I ask are you raising Francovitch in your application to the ECHR?

Your arguing with the converted, you know that, I know that but unfortunately THEY don't know or simply don't care if they do know they STILL rely on none-applicable findings to argue their position with lay persons

Only a police officer can't act upon a suspicion, a civilian security guard MUST KNOW you have committed an offence To do otherwise risks being accused of false arrest, kidnap etc etc If a security guard admits not knowing until AFTER the said arrest they still commit an offence although if its true their offence would probably be mitigated

Payment or not your details will still be on their data base

If the security guards says it theft its theft init! If it's not (as it often isn't) they WILL still claim its theft .............. AND that's how its created

Check page 12 of the CAB report "Unreasonable Demands"

Read the CAB report available on this site I think it mentions the 2 cases upon which the CR's rely for their activities

As I recall we have crossed swords twice & on both occasions you have been wrong as proven by the eventual outcome of each matter

I'm simply stating that victims might like to consider the possibility (even if they think it remote) whether or not the CR firm 'shares' the 'recovery' on a percentage basis 50/50% or 25/75% or whatever AND if so would that not create an incentive to 'create' a theft or simply jump to conclusions

I'm saying don't assume that those who come here & 'admit' theft haven't actually committed theft they just think they have because they've been accused of it

Consumers often think that they have committed an offence but when the precise facts are determined it often transpires that no offence has been committed. Its just that because they have been accused they assume the security guard must be correct, after all they wouldn't make false accusation unsubstantiated by the true facts would they, well! would they?

Please think in terms of 'contingency' Are CR firms paid a one off weekly, monthly or yearly fee OR do they share the recovered moneys WHEN recovered, do they deduct their cut before paying the balance to their client OR do they keep the whole sum to cover THEIR fees?

Also if they 'use' 192 as part of their determination of a consumers status why did you imply the questioner was wrong when it was clear to everyone else that's precisely what they stated. It seems you could pick a fight in an empty room

I'm not suggesting it I'm advising people of their right to have their data from being processed Good grief your the most argumentative person on this forum

Quite! Some seem to think that being disabled is an advantage The disabled are in the minds of some becoming the new 'benefit cheats'

The poster isn't saying that the poster is saying that the CRA's & others also use 192 who in turn provide said data to their clients ............ which is one of the reasons victims should send 192 a DPA Sec 10 notice telling them to cease processing their data

As a blue badge holder myself I would say it is being misused if the user does NOT exit the vehicle However they might argue that was their intention but that on arrival the user felt unable to do so However I would suggest this argument might fail if the actions of the user are a very regular occurrence & they NEVER exit the vehicle. On the other hand don't you think they would prefer that they didn't need a blue badge & as they do they have enough problems to contend with without others being jealous of the 'benefits' being disabled brings:sad:

A licence doesn't mean they know what they're doing & sadly most don't, they only think they do

Same thing ............ otherwise it ain't 'arrestable'

I assume that on the basis that an accused is innocent to until 'proven' guilty you mean the intent to steal has to be proved & NOT the other way around

If they did issue proceeding, which they seem reluctant to do, I understand RLP's solicitors will act for the client who's name the claim will be in

Great Can you provide a link to your document please?

Namely this

Totally innocent could I ask you to start your own thread & not high jack this one which you will note was started for a specific reason Thanks

Quite!