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  1. Hi Chaps, Currently not in a "predicament" - well at least not as far as PATAS goes (yet) I originally posted the question because I'd heard (but couldn't at that time find) that there were only 6 grounds for appeal at tribunal stage and wondered what they were. I am confident that my rejection of the P CN is fine as the signage is missing and should it go to tribunal because the council refuse to back down, then the tribunal would agree with me that the signage is indeed missing. Interesting discussion though folks. Cheers Art (still not heard from the counc
  2. This is a challenge to the original P CN. The 14-day 50% off period ends tomorrow from the original issue date of the P CN. Not got as far as the NtO yet - and hopefully, it won't get that far - but I'm happy to take it all the way to tribunal if necessary : ) Letter challenging the P CN included photos showing distinct lack of signage and CEO's attempt of providing proof of the contravention by photographing the restriction plate for the bus stop on the opposite side of the road, rather than the unsigned loading bay that I'd parked in! Art
  3. Thanks Jamberson I'm hopeful of my challenge because the restriction on the bay that I parked in (as defined in the current TRO and not affected by any subsequent amendments) is different to the underlying CPZ (under which I was issued the P CN) and the restriction plate for the bay is missing. Sent my challenge by registered post and they received it 2 days later - at least here is an on-line squiggle on Royal Mail's Track and Trace saying someone signed for it. So far, the council haven't even acknowledged my letter. Is that normal? Art
  4. Hi Michael, I'd found them - I was rather hoping they explained in more detail. Thanks for the reply. Take #7 as an example "The Traffic Order allegedly contravened is invalid - the Order creates the contravention." What does 'the Order creates the contravention' mean?? In order to succesfully challenge a PCN at tribunal, you have to challenge on the specific grounds? Art
  5. Hi Jamberson Post #14 in the following thread: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?385730-Taken-to-court-even-though-parking-fee-was-paid Art
  6. Hi Folks, Apparently PATAS only allow six grounds for appeal - otherwise they throw out your appeal automatically. Have searched the PATAS website but cannot find any info on this. Can anyone provide a relevant link? Cheers, Art
  7. Hey Sam, That sounds like a result. Don't get your hopes up just yet but it sounds very promising. Is there just one sign facing the wrong way - or is there only one sign? Seems that tribunals have been refusing challenges recently on what are viewed as "minor technicalities" - ie yellow lines incorrectly terminated or non-continuous because of a repair patch - as the "intention is clear". I'm hoping that in my particlar case I can argue that the intention isn't clear because without the sign (or indeed examining the TRO and remembering the restriction) you wouldn't know w
  8. Hi Sam, I can't claim any credit for the wording, that came from TheBogsDollocks. You will need to tailor it to your specific needs howeverr, I'd recommend getting hold of the relevant legislation if you can to check the sections that may be relevant. I don't think the 45 mins before parking was allowed will cut any ice I'm afraid, but I'm no expert in this As far as "playing dumb" - I don't know. It wouldn't hurt to say (a) you are a non-local and (b) it is a first-time offence, but Sheffield City Council only allow one informal challenge - so I'd be tempted to go in with any
  9. Hi again Sam, One idea that you may be able to explore (no idea whether it will carry any weight or not) is the size of the CPZs. The Secretary of State suggests that a CPZ should include no more than around 12 streets and that it is unreasonable to expect someone to remember the parking restrictions when entering the CPZ if it is larger than this. Now Tower Hamlets have several distinct areas on their map and the zones of interest as far as you are concerned - because it looks like where you parked (the yellow star on the map below) is on the border between two zones - Zone A2
  10. Thanks Jamberson for all your help and advice. I'll update the thread when I have some news. Letter contesting the P CN went off this morning by recorde d delivery. If they still want to persue it, I'll take it to a Traffic Tribunal Art
  11. Don't know whether that is a regulation or simply guidance. The CPZ that I'm currently having problems with in Sheffield has at least 60 streets in the Inner Zone alone - and the CPZ signs are on the entrance to the much larger Outer Zone! It would be useful indeed if it was to be that the whole CPZ is invalid because there are far too many streets within it. Sheffield hasn't partitioned the Inner and Outer Zones as I've seen elsewhere (as indeen in this thread - Tower Hamlets). Here's a picture of Sheffield's CPZ. If you can't sleep tonight, have a go at counting all of the st
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