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  1. Not had chance to go back in the past week to get the signage but will do next week. In the meantime I have received the debt letter claiming additional costs and warning that if I don't comply that they'll advise their client to take me to court. Should I reply to them? Tell them they can't add charges and even if they do they're not applicable to the keeper and that I'll happily have my day in court? Do I just write straight to ECP and say all this - letting them know it's more hassle than it's worth for them to chase me? Thx
  2. Correct. Thanks. Am I right in assuming the most I owe is the cost of a ticket to cover the extra time I stayed - whether that's 2 hr 6m, 1hr 6m or just 6m (in which case I'm covered by the 10m allowance you mentioned? Well I never knew that! Cheers! So where do I actually stand? You say anyone can sue anyone in court but have they got a leg to stand on? As much as I want to fight this I'm not going to risk a CCJ over £60 (or even their inflated figure of £100). And though they say further costs can be incurred as they chase me for non-payment, are they legally allowed to do so? Thx in advance.
  3. I assume it was a 6 minutes and a 3 hour ticket although I can't remember. I believe minimum purchase is 2 hours. All the letters state is that I was clocked entering at 5:50pm and leaving at 8:56pm
  4. Don't shout at me to read their letter properly when I already posted exactly what was said, that it was on their website appeal section, and that there's no mention of 'client'! I also checked their letters and there's no mention of 'passing to a 'client', DCA, or anyone else. Here are the answers you requested: Date of the infringement 05/04/2018 Date on the NTK Letter 1: 12/04/2018 Letter 2: 14/05/2018 Date received 18th May (letter 2) Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] Yes - paragraph 9(2)(b) of schedule 4 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Just 2 pics - supposedly of my licence plate upon entry and exit Have you appealed? {y/n?] Too late to appeal Have you had a response? [Y/N?] N/A Who is the parking company? Euro Car Parks Where exactly [carpark name and town] Aytoun Street, Manchester For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. POPLA There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. BPA If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here Letter 2 states I have missed the appeal deadline and that the amount due is now £100.
  5. This is my 2nd run in with ECP. First one, about forgetting to purchase a ticket, was dropped by them after their follow-up letter which nicely increased the demand from £60 to £100. This time I made sure to buy a ticket but overran the allowed time (I think I was 6 minutes over a 3 hour limit but the letter didn't stipulate). I received, and promptly forgot, their first letter and was away for the final 2 weeks of the 28 days they gave me to appeal their second letter. I went to lodge my appeal and was told: 'No further appeal can be made against this Parking Charge Notice (PCN) – the PCN has been forwarded to Debt Recovery Plus Ltd. All/any communication must now be directly with Debt Recovery Plus Ltd who’s contact details are on http://www.debtrecoveryplus.co.uk or telephone 02082346775.' This to me implies they've sold the debt to a DCA rather than do what they've threatened in the past which is to take me to court and push for a CCJ. To me this is just a non-credit related issue and one that cannot result in a default or CCJ against me, damaging my credit rating, nor is it anything that can result in legal action, and so is something I shouldn't be concerned about. Am I right? The charge itself is excessive - £60 (later increased to £100) for overstaying on a ticket is in breach of what they can charge and as I understand it, they can only claim for lost earnings - which would simply be the cost of a ticket to cover the extra minutes I was parked. Having previously laughed off a DCA when I did receive a default on a credit card debt, I'm not bothered at all about a DCA chasing a parking ticket, assuming my understanding of the situation is correct. And if I am right, isn't it bizarre that a parking company renowned for taking legal action has decided to wave the white flag and sell on to a DCA? Thanks in advance.
  6. So I would have to be made aware – either by ECP or the courts – about any pending CCJ action? Great. That makes me feel a lot better. I just hope any letter doesn't get lost in the post
  7. Sorry for the delay, I had a nasty fall and broke bones and have been laid up for a few weeks (and still am!) so I've not been able to show you where and how the signage is displayed. I will when I get chance. On another note all has gone quiet from ECP. At first I assumed this was good news indicating that they've dropped their pursuit but I've since heard anecdotes about people in a similar position being the unwitting recipients of a CCJ as ECP applied for one without the subject being aware and so couldn't turn up to defend themselves in court so how do I ensure this doesn't happen to me?
  8. Argh! Only just seen your post Eric, so will have to go back to check. In answer to what was the tiny red text about. It started saying that no responsibility for damage/loss of property will be assumed by ECP and then said: This land is private property. No parking without the authority, whether expressed or implied of the owener of the vehicle. If you fail to adhere to the terms and conditions you will be issued with a parking charge notice. Vehicle keeper details may be requested from the DVLA if automatic number plate recognition is in operation or if the parking charge notice placed on your vehicle remains unpaid. Additional charges will be incurred from further civil action being taken. After talking about abandoned, badly parked or obstructive vehicles and the action that can be taken against them it finishes off with: Address for all enquiries contact ECO 24hr help desk 0207 56303000. Registration no 1270612.
  9. Only just noticed the little red box - no close up - will have to try and get one over the weekend. 1 Date of the infringement 15/08/2017 2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] Issued on 22/08/2017 3 Date received Can't remember 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] Yes. Says that "you are notified under the paragraph 9(2)(b) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 that the driver is required to pay the pakring charge in full. As we do not know the driver's name or current postal address, if you were not the driver at the time, you should tell us the name and current postal address of the driver and pass this notice to them. You are advised that if, after 29 days from the date given (which is presumed to be the second working day after the date issued), the parking charge has not been paid in full and we do not both the name and the current address of the driver, we have the right to recover any unpaid part of the parking charge from you. This notice is given to you under paragraph 9(2)(f) of Schedule 4 of the Protections of Freedoms Act 2012 and is subject to our complying with the applicable conditions under Schedule 4 of the Act". 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? The charge includes 2 blurry photos of my licence plate. 6 Have you appealed? {y/n?] post up you appeal] Yes. It was the one I mentioned in my OP, citing POPLA. Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up They rejected my appeal stating no ticket was bought. I no longer have their response. However their response came via email even though the charge/letter says that all online appeals will only be responded to via post. 7 Who is the parking company? Euro Car Parks. 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Aytoun Street, Manchester. For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. They list their own appeals process and website/email address and states that if the appeal is unsuccessful that I can appeal to POPLA. There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. BPA is on the top right on the charge If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here Received the email rejection which included a pdf breakdown as to why my appeal was rejected (no ticket) and cited their rules which require a ticket to be purchased.
  10. I missed the form Dx100 posted. Just seen it now. I'll get pics of signage over the weekend. What is NTK? Is it Notice to Keeper?
  11. Hostile? I rebutted one post from you and then when you explained further I accepted and asked questions to better my understanding as my previous understanding (POPLA) had been dismissed - so not sure what more I can do there. I relayed all the info about the event in my OP: the car was parked and, by accident, a ticket wasn't purchased. What more info are you looking for? As per my OP, I read a number of threads about Euro and the same CAG advice was given and they backed down.
  12. Cheers for the info. Questions follow. Okay but what about the POPLA defence being advocated by CAG and that other car park operators, including Euro, have backed down in the past? What use is POPLA if what you say about PFA and co is true? Don't DCAs 'ask' CRAs to register defaults and what not? Or could Euro Car Parks do it? I know it's not credit but still, it's defaulting on payment. What do you have in mind? I haven't done anything since firing back my POPLA defence. Was posting here to get info as to my next move.
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