Just as a thought. Now they have changed the hours to short working, if they decide to change and make people redundant would they have to pay redundancy at full pay or half pay ?

Ok thanks

I have a copy of the updated handbook from another member of staff. I will copy and paste the paragraph in a short while Layoff/short time working If a situation arises where there is a reduction of work, or there is any other occurrence that affects the normal running of the business, the Company has a right to either layoff without pay other than Statutory Guarantee Payor implement shorter working hours and reduce pay in proportion with the reduction in working hours. This procedure is in line with your terms and conditions of employment. The Company also reserves the right to select the employees best suited to carry out whatever work is available. Employees will be offered alternative work wherever possible. Employees who are laid off must still be available for work as and when necessary since continuity of service is not affected by any period of layoff. The Company will pay Statutory Guarantee Pay in accordance with the current government regulations. Any employee who is laid off for longer than the Statutory Guarantee Pay period will be given a letter to take to the relevant government agency. Employees should then be able to sign on as temporarily unemployed, even though they will still be employed by the Company. ,

It says the company reserves the right to lay off employees or to introduce short time working should this be required in a downturn of work or other needs of the business. A more detailed explanation of the procedure is detailed in the employee handbook. I cannot find my original employee handbook but all staff except myself had an updated one emailed to them last month

I have found my contract and it does says about short time working but does not say anything about the money dropping. I am salaried on a yearly amount ?

No there is no union at our workplace.

I have worked for my employer for 4 years, I am salaried and paid monthly. The directors called a meeting with the whole shop floor and told us they were cutting hours from 8 to 4 per day and cutting pay to suit. 90% are on clock and get paid hourly, I get a salary. I cannot seem to find my contract at present but they are telling everyone they are quite within their rights to do what they have done as suggested by the company they use for employment legal services because of lack of work. They also say that even though everyone has now been cut to 4 hours they must make themselves available for the full 8 hours of the day and cannot find extra work for the time they are at home. Surely this cannot be legal ?

No but I'm thinking of joining one. Any preference for manufacturing sector ?

I am salaried, yes I believe I signed out if it when I first started. In my interview I was told occasional overtime but on my first day I noticed it said for the company needs in the contract

When I started my job 15 months ago my contract said hours 8 til 5 but may change due to need of business. Now for the last 6 months I seem to be working 6am until 5.30pm every day. Where do I stand if I bring this up with them

She left on the 15th and get a paid last day of the month. They paid her remaining holiday pay but did not pay 3 weeks ssp as she has been ill and off work

by giving them 14 days it gets paid when they said it will, the 15th, surely thats not reasonable ?

My wife handed in her notice and was expecting her last wages on Friday but they have only paid her holiday pay. She was also due 3 weeks ssp which was not paid When she phoned her ex employer they said they would try to pay her by the 15th of this month. 2 and a half weeks later. Surely this can't be right and is not reasonable to wait this long. There is a likeyhood that she will incur bank charges over this Any advice ?

Is it normal to have a second investigation meeting?

An update to the disciplinary meeting yesterday. in the letter she received saying she had to attend the disciplinary yesterday it said she had to ring and confirm that she would be attending and she had the right to bring another employee of the company or a trade union rep. She phoned and spoke to the office manager who was present in the first investigation meeting and took notes and said she would attending and asked if she could accompany her to the meeting to either take notes or be the accompanying person as she seemed to do a decent job with the minutes of the first meeting and was told she would speak to the area manager to try and arrange it. When my wife arrived for the meeting the area manager came down and called the receptionist and my wife into a private room. they started the meeting and my wife said she had asked the office manager to take notes or accompany her to which the area manager replied the receptionist was there taking notes and she would not be having the person she asked for. My wife was not accompanied by anyone, only the area manager was there and receptionist taking notes. As this was highlighted as a disciplinary meeting on the paperwork my wife said it was exactly the same as the first meeting, asking the same questions basically again asking again why a report was not filled in to which again my wife said the same that she was outside with another member of staff left inside, and she was asked to complete the report as she could not possibly of seen what had happened as she was outside. Same questions as previous basically. At the end of the meeting the area manager asked my wife to read the notes taken and sign all of the pages. My wife said that half the things in the meeting said were either incorrect or missing and spread over 4 pages of A4 in no sensible or logical order, even the girl writing the minutes when asked could not understand her own writing. My wife said she was unhappy to sign anything as it was illegible. She was told by the area manager she had to sign and my wife said no, the area manager then said she had to get advice form HR and left the room coming back in to say it would be re-written and sent to her by e-mail and to check over and return if she agreed, then she would have to go into the office to sign the paperwork. The rewritten minutes came through last night and my wife said she was chased this morning via phone to agree to the wording and return via e-mail. My wife said she has not read it properly and would return it when she had. Upon reading the minutes it looks as if they are highlighting things like, girls left un-attended, report not done or area manger not phoned at the time, ignoring things that were said in the investigation meeting like member of staff left in the house when my wife worked outside, other member of staff asked to complete report and my wife already told them that she did not realise an area manager had to be contacted as a report was asked to be filled out. she has never had to telephone an area manager previous with a report or any other member of staff has not either. She also had a phone call from a private carer that takes one of the girls out asking if her back injury was better and asking why she decided to leave the company, information my wife has not told anyone. My wife also explained about the on-going investigation and the carer which is employed by one of the girls fathers privately said she has had issues with the door in question and if the company wanted verification of that to contact her directly. My wife has checked paperwork she has signed for previous and not signed anything to say about a phone call to accompany a report form and also unable to see in the company handbook as she never received one when she started 4 years ago. Sorry to drone on but it seems as if they are trying to get her to slip up on what was said previous with a second investigation meeting. Any advice grateful

Many thanks Will do. The job offer at present been put on hold awaiting the outcome of the discaplinary meeting. He has had all references back, 4 of them and CRB checks being done which will be fine but because the employer she is with at present said on the reference she is under investigation it has been put on hold

I appriciciate all the advice from all. All noted

Yes she saw the letter many times as I adjusted things. She has a copy and also also agreed when I said about sending it. She was the one who posted it

Also added to the letter that any blame on her part will be appealled. Apologies once again

I appreciate all advice I'm given it just annoys me that they are doing what they are doing. I don't understand how it can make things worse as she is leaving 3 days after the meeting anyway and it's obvious their intention is to dismiss her. All that was put in it was about being outside and she was not the last person through the door. How can they blame her I will not correspond with them anymore and see what happens. They have asked in the letter that arrived if my wife wants the letter I sent in her discaplinarys meeting or not I'm assuming by the advice above it would not be a good idea ?

I wrote to the company saying I believed they were wrong and highlighting my wife's points again ie working elsewhere. Somebody in the house etc and my wife had a response this morning saying they had received my letter but could not reply to me due to data protection. Did we want it added to the discaplinarys hearing or not

Many thanks all

Thanks. Will let you all know what happens on the 9th

Yes noted but it's obvious that the member of staff that came into work an hour earlier left the door unmatched and the thing they are making a big thing of They were not supervised. One woman working inside and my wife informed her she was clearing the paths outside. The member of staff inside then went to the patio to ask my wife something when the client walked out. Surely that's not my wife's fault ?

With regards to the photo of what was written in the comms book regarding the door. Is it lawfull ? This was a grey area when she got the photo. It's a journal of day to day issues at the property. No name are on it and it only highlights an issue with the door but not sure