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  1. No, I think Surfer's point is that if you introduce such legislation and legitimisation for the Lake District, then it opens the door to all kind of abuse for other places like hospitals and supermarkets, as it is the same rule for everyone, so one must wonder whether it's a risk worth taking. One can also wonder whether there is an inherent right for someone to charge for people to park their car, anywhere on private land. After all, is the landowner declaring that income to the Inland Revenue? What are they doing to provide this apart from owning the land in the first place, and does that give them the right to then turn it into a business venture? I;m nit saying yes or no, I'm just throwing that in the pot, so to speak. Of interest to me on the notes is this: as it pretty much confirms what we've always said, and seems to be final nail in the PPC's coffin of dubious practices, no more pretending that these charges are something else than what they are. I LIKE that. Also, someone posted higher up and said this: Yes, I noticed that a while back, Athena is the name of the PPC... thing is, they don't actually say what charity, so I do wonder about the truth in this, I'd love to know if someone has actually looked into it. Oh, and I also think that £20 would be outrageous and punitive in nature.
  2. No, I meant the judgment against YOU. That takes precedence over any letter by them. The judge has said: "this is how much you have to repay" and "this is who you have to repay it to", which is the retailer. RLP CANNOT come back for another bite of the cherry. Simple as that.
  3. Nope, like I said earlier, I would write back to RLP referring them back to the existing judgment and telling them to sod off. ;-)
  4. She doesn't even have to return them, technically they are unsolicited goods, if they want her to send them back, they should provide a pre-paid label or come and collect them. It does sound like quite the con, actually, so I would also notify the police, because that sounds decidedly shifty.
  5. I'm going to disagree with Sidewinder, I'm afraid. A judge has decided what you have to repay to TKMax, that's it. RLP can go and f*** themselves, they have no right whatsoever to pursue a claim separately from the people they were supposed to be working for, to whom they are contracted, that would be like going back for a second bite of the cherry. The law does offer a certain amount of protection, in that way, once the punishment has been meted out, that is it. I would write back to RLP referring them back to the existing judgment and telling them to sod off. You didn't steal anything from RLP, and they caught you whilst being paid by TKMaxx to do so, so there is absolutely zero for them to claim for, even if, and that is doubtful, they had grounds to pursue you.
  6. . . . . This made me laugh so much I had to share...
  7. I guess... the problem is that as long as people don't know what their rights are, their *ahem* fanciful interpretation of the law (being careful about libel threats here! ) is still going to catch out innocent vulnerable people.
  8. Well, for starters, this thread needs to be read on the background context of this one: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?336827-Announcement-ESA-claimants-now-have-the-option-of-having-their-WCA-recorded As the 51 or so pages of it show, it's all very well someone now coming on and saying "Why would you want to do this when you can demand it?", but that would be ignoring the fact that some of us have been now fighting for a considerable time and energy to get to the point where you CAN demand your recording. As the other thread amply shows, it's been less than straightforward, and in fact, if you look at my last post there, you will see that Atos are still up to their old tricks. Secondly, for a lot of people, it will be less scary to just covertly record than take the risk of confronting the HCP, or jump through the hoops of asking for a recording to be made. I wrote this guide above for people who do want to do a covert recording, but are afraid as to the legalities, and because the same questions were coming up over and over again. It's not saying: "this is what you should be doing", it's saying "should you wish to do it, this is how and why you can". Possibly, possibly not. But when people's survival money depends on their claim going smoothly, a lot of them will be too afraid to do this, and what if the other side refuses to sign such paper (as they no doubt will)? Where does that leave your disabled claimant? Personally, I wouldn't, simply because whilst I think it is an admirable goal in theory, I don't think the practicalities add up, but I hope you can prove me wrong, because let's face it, anything that can help defeating the enemy is good stuff.
  9. http://mylegal.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=frontline&thread=724&page=1#1888 I'd strongly recommend anyone who has to fill in those dreaded forms keep a copy of this!
  10. Ah, but if the HCP refuses to continue, then you can't be held as failing to attend/comply. You're here, and you're complying, since they have admitted that you are allowed to record. The HCP is the one choosing not to continue. I know what you're saying about taking chances of having to go to appeal and no-one can make that decision for you, but unless more and more people take a stand and refuse to be bullied, they will be able to continue with their cycle of terror. The only reason that we are now at the stage where they have to back down so much is purely because a lot of people in your situation said: "no more" and refused to play by their rules. Put it this way: if every single claimant goes to their WCA equipped with a recording device, hidden or not, it will soon become untenable for them to allow their staff to discontinue the interview. It's the same principle as the "work to rule" policy used by union members. Atos gets paid to process x amount of claims per week. If these don't happen, regardless as to the reason, soon the DWP will be saying: "sorry, but we're not paying you to sit there and drink tea, hidden in the staff room". Once that happens, Atos will be quick to tell their staff to suck it up and do the interviews, like it or not. At the moment, they are lettign their HCPs walk out because it suits their agenda. Once they start being inconvenienced, they'll soon give it up.
  11. ; yes they can "require" all they like, doesn't mean we have to agree that's becasue they can't actually demand it only if you tell them hence don't tell them good think we don't care jolly good jolly good again only if you let them. In reality, there is SFA they can do, and as long as we know it and they know it, it's pretty much game, set and match to us. The only thing we need to ensure is telling as many people as we can so no-one gets caught by their lies. I think that the above really shows they've been pushed back in their trenches, and they're just trying to save face where they can
  12. Straight from "Atos Miracles" on Facebook: Is this the sound of ignominious retreat I can hear? I think so!
  13. Oh hello, troll attack... What's the matter, didn't get breastfed, need the attention?
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  15. ah, but I have already been playing it on Facebook where I first found it, you see, so I didn't think it fair to start as I had a head start... again so to speak.
  16. The good news are not good news at all. In reality, the Condems are carrying on exactly as intended, with the trial rolling out of PIP starting in April as planned, countrywide rollout in sept/Oct as planned and gradually reassessing everyone. It was never going to be an all out rollout all at once, it is logistically impossible to reassess 500 000 people at once, and to cater fro all the new claims too. What the government hadn't done was tell us how they were going to proceed, and this is exactly the way I had predicted it would happen: 1st people who are coming to the end of their existing award, then the longer awards and finally the indefinite/life awards (which are the same thing, btw, just a change in terminology), hoping some of them will have popped their clogs before that anyway. It also gives them maneuvering room to see how the implementation is going, especially when it comes to tribunals, as they know that indefinite awards taken away are much more likely to succeed at appeal, so no point in clogging up the appeals system (even more) straight away). Also, if, as expected, they get kicked off at the next election, it's rather neatly leaving the next government to handle this particular hot potato, which is going to be hugely politically loaded. If it's proving too hot to handle, they can then drop the re-assessment for indefinite award, pretending to be caring and having listened to the people, bla bla bla... Either way, they have all to gain and nothing to lose by doing it this way. Do not be misled: They are proceeding exactly as planned.
  17. That could be interesting, do you have a link to "the law" or a name that can be searched, please? and if this is true, does it mean that every single one that was charged before WAS in fact unlawful? I am never grateful for money that gets demanded off me when I haven't agreed to it. Seems to me, the more I read about it, the more it comes across as a massive racket as it looks as if the majority of people just pay up without questioning! Seeing the volume of overseas business going on, this must make them an absolute fortune, which seems completely unrelated to the costs they actually incur. That comment about "pain threshold" is exactly what's making me suspicious. It's small enough that most people will pay without questioning, but big enough that if it's levied on enough parcels it will be a nice money-making scheme. You see, I was googling a fair bit before posting here, and I noticed that the charge used to be £10. Now I don't know about you, but I have never seen a company voluntarily lowering their prices for no good reason, and that's what got me thinking in the first place. Anyway, if you could point me in the direction of that law you mention, I'd be grateful.
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