Oh God, let's hope it's a one off! Only kidding!

ftp://ftp.royalmail.com/Downloads/public/cmwalk/doc/active/doc2600003/Special%20Delivery%20t's%20and%20c's.pdf Take a look at s5 s5.1 & 5.2 There are two types of Special Delivery from RM and both are deemed as part of the universal service. I know that Postcomm wanted this changed, as it is more akin to a courier service, but it appears to still be the case for which RM can even claim immunity for this too. However, I didn't wish to go into this as I suspect it will not be relevant to Agatha in any case and the thread would go all over the place.

And she has received a book of stamps as compensation already...standard compensation for Recorded Signed For. And she has issued a claim for £36...the maximum compensation for Recorded Signed For. And RM's defence indicates immunity from a universal postal service...which is what Recorded Signed For is. However, let's wait for Agatha to confirm this.

Agatha has already disclosed this in her first post. 'Signed for' is Recorded Delivery, or better still, 'Recorded Signed For.'

What case law? There is none for suing RM for losing your Recorded Delivery item, no court in the land has the jurisdiction to hear it other than to strike it out. You have been given their defence which quotes The Postal Services Act 2000. Have you read it? How do you intend to mitigate this legislation for your succesful claim? How do you think a county court will be able to overturn this legislation? What professional advice did you receive where you were informed your chances of success are 51% or greater? Think about suing them instead.

If the OP wants to waste their money on a hopless case and the OP is prepared to accept your advice then that is a matter for the OP. I suggest they post back to tell us the outcome of this court claim in due course.

Yes but it is quite insignificant to this particular thread. The OP here wants to sue RM for losing an item. They shouldn't bother as they will not win. That's all they need to know.

You raise some valid points. But a coach driver would need to produce their driving licence for their job as it is a specific requirement. What is specific about a British shelf stacker working in a supermarket in Grimsby and the need to produce a passport? What I for one am concerned about is that this type of thing then becomes the norm. Stubborn employers will insist on every employee having to produce a passport just to work. What legal right do they have to do this? It will be like ID cards via the back door! People are people and most are workers and they are not some number in a little red book!

Ok, so they have your NI number, they will have your personal information such as your full name, age, address etc, probably your bank details, 3 references, originally employed through a specialist employment agency detailing specific skills no doubt (and probably where and how attained), even more info from that employment agency, 18 months service, a P45 and you have futher confirmed your right to work in the UK. And probably dozens of other bits of info. Now, they want a copy of your passport to determine you can work in the UK after all! You couldn't make it up!

Somehow I feel you're serious...:-|

Well you have done the right thing in sending a letter threatening action. You have a choice of county court and an employment tribunal. The tribunal will be free but you will need to pay for a county court. Personally, I find a county court much easier to prove a case than a tribunal. I'd get in touch with ACAS first thing tomorrow morning. Do you have legal cover with your home insurance? It covers employment disputes and your representation will be free and your claim appears pretty straight forward. Good luck and tell us how you get on.

Oh c'mon Bookworm! That is totally unnecessary. This is the OP's question from the initial post- can they actually demand to keep a copy of my passport on file The answer is no they cannot demand this. They cannot even demand to look at it. That is fact. Any diciplinary action for refusing this request would be unlawful. You, and some others, are the ones arguing against this fact which is why some of us continue to post. That is not a rant and the OP is entitled to hear what they want to hear when they recognise truth rather than an opinion. Please be gracious.

I've been called worse. I guess if I ever have a question about HID conversion kits and start a thread some other mod may ban me???

Ok, well they have deducted this money unlawfully, that's for sure. How long ago were the mistakes made and were you ever disciplined for them?

Hi crh May I ask, how long have you been with your employers and were you interviewed, write an application form, provide references etc etc when you initially started with them? And, of course, are you British?

Yes, but that thread was not a case of Royal Mail failing to deliver an item. It was a case of a Royal Mail postman delivering an item in a manner outside his remit that caused damage to a car, thus negligence. They are two different things.

Hello It would be helpful to answer a few questions to help you, ok? 1 What are the dates of your employment, start and end? 2 Did you have a signed contract and/or written Terms of Employment? (They are not necessarily the same) 3 Did you agree and sign anything for deductions to be made other than statutory deductions (ie other than for things like tax, NI)? 4 What was the job and are you a tradesman? 5 Why did you quit? Regards

There is nothing in The Immigration Act for a UK citizen to produce anything!!! It is now a requirement just because some employers say it is! And very few employers have no right to even view a passport let alone photocopy it.

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I would suggest that paronoia is a good description for the actual subject described in the initial thread. Would some HR bod please provide one good reason why on earth everybody from the OP's employment has to give them a photocopy of their passport? And what are your instructions from your superiors for non-compliance?

Ahh, but the beauty of this is that 2 items for 99p, advertised as '50% off/everything half price' is exactly what it says on the tin. So long as the cashier only accepts 2 items and the customer pays 99p, and the cashier refuses to sell single items, then the problem maths and coinage of 49 a ha'penny or rounding up/down will not arise! And there will be no misleading adverts either. Everything will be 50% off and/or half price. And it would be purely up to the customer if they only want one item and to leave the other but pay 99p. It would be they who refuse the offer of 50% off.

Considering an employer has no legal right to demand that one even produces a passport for viewing, let alone have it copied, then a simple refusal should suffice and an explanation needn't be provided in any case. Also, is it possible some employer's premises are not totally infallable to burglary? Can you be sure you do not work with a sophisticated fraudster and/or a well connected burglar? And if they have never been caught then how can you say no? Do not employees of businesses commit crime? Including HR dept workers? ...Office cleaners???...Office cleaners who are temp workers???? Office workers who are temp workers where the employment agency only know their past few weeks life history??????

This is an old chestnut that's been discussed before. Your HR department is being over zealous. The documentation required under the legislation to be produced is for those 'who need to prove they are eligible to work in the UK.' Hence, a UK citizen is not required to do so as, obviously, they are eligible to work in the UK by virtue of being a UK citizen. Rather than HR representatives using their judgment to make a decision, businesses prefer to use this lazy blanket approach with their staff recruitment which makes one wonder what skills are needed these days for such a position. It's almost a case of positive discrimination just to eradicate a potential claim of racial prejudice that wouldn't even exist if people were allowed to get on with their job. Btw, I believe a passport can only be surrendered on demand to custom control and the police. So to answer Bookworm's dilemma of an explanation for refusal to provide a passport copy to HR-Good luck to that business who decides to discipline should this arise.

Not at all, my apologies for reading it incorrectly.

I think you will find employment law does indeed address situations of sickness, going on holiday whilst sick and then getting the sack because of that. Somebody with an, alleged, broken leg who is sick from work yet decides to go on holiday skiing is unlikely to win an unfair dismissal claim!