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About Lenlu

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  1. I put my claim in to HSBC for my bank charges and it went to court before the OFT case, however was stayed as most were pending the outcome of the case. I just wondered what stage we were at now and when a resolution will be made? Is there any expected outcome?
  2. Lenlu

    Tracey vs HSBC

    Thanks for your reply, just making sure I havent missed anything...
  3. Lenlu

    Tracey vs HSBC

    Hiya all.....well I didnt apply for a stay removal in the end, too many things were going on....but Im back now and wondering where I am now, I havent heard anything from DG or the court since they put a stay on the case? has to oft thing finished? where are we now?
  4. Lenlu

    Tracey vs HSBC

    Just got the stuff belwo so far, pinched from the stay post Claim Number:XXXXXXX In the XXXXXXXX County Court Between: [YOU] Claimant -and- XXXXXXX BANK PLC Defendant I strongly object to the proposed order of a stay in respect of the claim detailed above upon the following grounds; Human rights It would infringe my rights under the European Convention on Human Rights directly and as enacted in the Human Rights Act 1998. Article 6 of the Convention provides that; “1. In the determination of his civil rights… everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time.” It is submitted that the ordering of a stay as proposed is not reasonable. The 8 banks involved in the High Court test case have recently published identical statements on their websites informing customers that they expect the test case to last for over a year. Moreover, the nature and gravity of the case is such that any judgment is highly likely to be appealed to the Court of Appeal and possibly even then appealed further to the House of Lords. It is entirely conceivable that a final resolution may not be reached for 2 – 3 years or perhaps even longer. It is thus submitted that the period of any proposed stay cannot be accurately predicted and would therefore in effect be indeterminate, which is contrary to the right of entitlement to a fair hearing within a reasonable time as provided for by Article 6 of the Human Rights Act 1998. The Overriding Objective The Overriding Objective requires that my case is allowed to proceed speedily so that a just settlement may be obtained by the parties to this case. Dealing with cases justly includes ensuring that this case is dealt with expeditiously and fairly and in a way that is proportionate to the amount of money involved. It is submitted that the imposition of an indeterminate stay in a small claims track case involving a reletively small sum, at such an advanced stage in proceedings, is not just, nor is it expeditious, nor is it fair on a claimant who has outlaid sums by way of court fees in pursuit of a legitimate right to seek a remedy. Balance of convenience The sum claimed is insignificant to the bank but it is highly significant to me. Furthermore, although a stay prevents me from recovering my money, the defendant bank is not prevented from levying its charges or interest on debt comprised of those charges so the order of the court has the effect of favouring a powerful and well-resourced institution and does not place any restriction on their continued application of charges which I say are unlawful. Further, many banks are now routinely closing the accounts of their customers who commence claims against them. This amounts to a sanction for seeking a ruling from the justice system and as such is a basic denial of citizenship. I will remain at risk of such action despite the fact that my remedy has been placed on an indeterminate hold. Additionally, the defendant remains at liberty to enter my name on the default register which it and other banks routinely do in respect of unlawful penalties which are unpaid by their customers. The banks have direct and privileged access to this register. They have no need to obtain a County Court judgment before they may enter a default on the register. This default remains on the register for 6 years and causes enormous damage to reputations. Were my name to be entered on the default register I would find it impossible to get credit or a mortgage and I would have to pay higher fees for any credit which I did manage to obtain. The banks would also remain at liberty to bring legal proceedings against me for the recovery of any debt which mostly or entirely consists of penalty charges, penalty charges which are contended to be unlawful, but which consumers would be helpless to challenge in the event that stays are imposed on any claim where a customer is seeking to dispute the lawfulness of them. It is submitted that a stay may potentially mean great difficulty for me and yet be insignificant for the defendant bank. In fact a stay is supportive of the banks litigation strategy which is to frustrate justice by repeatedly taking the claimant to the door of the court and then to settle the claim. The Status Quo The stay does not maintain the status quo. As submitted above, a stay favours the bank by preventing the claimant’s pursuit of its legitimate remedy without placing any restriction upon the banks activities which I submit are unlawful and/or retaliatory. Furthermore, as submitted above the present case concerns a relatively small sum and is at a late stage in proceedings, and therefore I submit that to impose an indeterminate stay is unnecessary, inappropriate, not in the interests of justice and further, is detrimental to my rights in a way which is unfair and inequitable. In the alternative In view of the preceding paragraphs, if the court accedes to the defendant’s application for a stay notwithstanding these objections, I respectfully request that the court issues the following injunctions: That the defendant bank is prevented from applying further penalty charges to my account until the final settlement of the matter. That the defendant is prevented from applying interest charges to any outstanding amounts which are comprised of penalties until the settlement of the matter. That the defendant is prevented from closing my account. That the defendant is prevented from making any entry on its own systems or from communicating any similar information to any third party about any matter insofar as it relates to penalty charges until the final settlement of the matter. That the defendant removes any derogatory entry on its own records insofar as it relates to penalty charges. (The Court has the power to do this under the Data Protection Act 1998 ) That the defendant arranges the removal of entries from the records of any third parties to whom it has previously communicated information insofar as it relates to penalty charges. (The Court has the power to do this under the Data protection Act 1998.) That these injunctions remain in place until the settlement of my claim. That should my claim proceed to a hearing that a decision should be made at the hearing as to whether these injunctions should be made permanent. That if the matter should not proceed to a hearing because the defendant decides to settle outside court, that these injunctions should become permanent. I, the Claimant, believe all facts stated to be true. Signed: Dated:
  5. Lenlu

    Tracey vs HSBC

    LOL thanks hun, now to work out what I am relying on
  6. Lenlu

    Tracey vs HSBC

    absolutly, thanks hun Just a little question the form N244 is that avaliable online or do I go to my court to get it?
  7. Lenlu

    Tracey vs HSBC

    OK had a read, is the form avaliable online? do i send that doc as supporting evidence?
  8. Lenlu

    Tracey vs HSBC

    OK, I have seen the application for removal or stay thread, is that what I send or is there a form to fill in? If so do i send that document listed in the app of stay thread too? Im not going to be able to ring them before weds though as Im working long days tomorrow and tuesday, but will hopefully get in on the 7 day deadline. TBH though if there is a fee I dont think I will bother Im so dis illusioned, can see the money slipping away from me I hope the test case goes our way al, would love to use your letters etc anything appreciated
  9. Lenlu

    Tracey vs HSBC

    Nothing in bold on my letter apart from the judges name and it says 4) This order having been made on the courts own initiuative, either party may apply to vary or revoke it provided the application is made not later than 7 days after the service of the order together with the appropraite fee so i guess they still taking my money Whats the chance DG will apply for the stay to be lifted then!!?? My question is obv this is not be resolved til feb next year, do i keep sending nudge letters or just leave it for now?
  10. Lenlu

    Tracey vs HSBC

    well, gutted, I received a letter yesterday, My case has been stayed by the court until the outcome of the high court case, which according to them will be Feb 2008. It says I can apply for the stay to be lifted, is it worth it? have any been lifted after application? It also mentions a fee for appling for a stay to be lifted, anyone know what this is? Really disillusioned and gutted now
  11. Lenlu

    Courts & Stays

    I have a hearing on 4th october, received a letter yesterday issuing a blanket stay on all cases pending outcome of the court case, which according to my letter will be feb 2008. My case was at Derby court
  12. jowalshy you from derby? i notice the judge was the sama as mine
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