right, first draft of nba (never done one before i've i'm shooting in the dark!) Any pointers? Am i phrasing it badly? Do i send a copy of this (along with a covering letter) to the management company explaining how i'll be suing them too?

Had a reply to the "appeal" today, they ignore that delivery vehicles are allowed to park (according to the management company that hired them), that the signs aren't visible at night (the street lighting at that end of the road isn't wired in yet from what i can tell) and that the clampers were hiding their details (never got the number of the guy that fitted the clamp, could have been wearing somebody elses badge for all we know) Next step is the Notice Before Action (which they'll ignore), then small claims time. Any there any templates for the NBA, or does it vary on a case by case basis? Is the site management company included in the NBA?

Umm, this judge?

But if you drive in to a £25/day carpark and don't pay, they've lost £25. They can't charge you £100 for losing £25 can they? No, because they will have lost £45, not £5.

True, but how many private parking companies have "reasonable" parking costs...?

Me and my crossed wires, should have said it was the guy with the van, not the legal guy. Showing the defective camera system as a "legitimate" get out for a "legitimate" ticket muddied the waters a bit.

Removed my comment!

The way the legal bloke on their talked, it made it sound like they're running a legitimate system which has a few flaws, not that it's a total [problem].

heh, my latest post has been "referred to the moderators"

Didn't actually go into the details of it being a unlawful penalty, etc. But it's a start!

Signs can be day-glo and in letters 5 foot high, still not enforceable. Step 1. Ignore them. no more steps.

As above, council ticket or toilet paper?

I've always found Stop & Give Way signs to be located at the point of action myself.

Yup, ignore!

Get the photos!

You said the google map was out of date, we need current pics of the junction and any signage.

Got any photos of the signage on the junction?

My comment is "awaiting moderation" and as no begger works weekends or bank holidays it'll be that way for a while!

Was wishing one of the crew would grow a pair and ask some proper question when they tried that!

Thinking back to while i was arguing with the police woman, she kept telling me the car was illegally parked.... Haven't done the toy throwing at the cop shop yet, having to put her name & number in the "appeal", etc as a witness to the clampers refusing to show their badges, so i'd like her to be in a positive frame of mind if she has to recall the incident.

Is it worth mass mailing the watchdog inbox with some accurate details? Aside from the "ignore them" message of course Not a council ticket, blah blah, they lost no money, blah blah, no lost income = no court case, etc, etc

No physical restraint, but every time i mentioned removing the clamp myself i got responses of "i must warn that if you touch the clamp you'll be committing criminal damage", etc

Went to the site to get some pics of signage, visibility, etc. Worked out why the signs aren't visible. There are only 2 working street lamps on the estate so far, notice how the lights in the distance aren't working? That's where she was clamped. (the red sign to the left of the picture is on the back of the building in the second pic, you'd never see it if you didn't drive into that area) She was clamped roughly where the white car is in this streetview image. I was told by a resident that more visitor parking is due to be finished soon, it'll be this way ... But i did find that if you drive through this unlit tunnel in one of the buildings.. Into the unlit carpark ..(the motion lights in the back ground were set off by me wandering around with my camera) .. you'll find visitor parking, yay! (the black car is in a visitor space, not sure where the people in 61 & 63 are supposed to park though) (i know the available parking doesn't effect my issue, but i just found the site layout a bit of a joke.)

I KNEW i'd seen something like that somewhere but i couldnt think where, so i thought i ring them and confirm. And got told the wrong stuff. Bloody doing my head in now!

Rang the SIA, the clampers don't have to give any licence details until after you've paid. Awesome.