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  1. Go on then ruddiger123, explain away why you think thats not true ....... Troll alert !
  2. Ive seen something about CHP from round here before - can you scrub and post a pic / scan of the 'ticket' and the fixed penalty envelope ?
  3. They have 6 months to lay information for a court summons - but this only means they have to give the court notice within the 6 months. You, on the other hand, might only hear 8 months or even longer, as the courts have to find 'a slot' to fit you in, and will then issue the summons paperwork itself. With Christmas etc being in the way, dot be surprised if one still lands on the doormat. Many people think once the 6 months 'to the day' is up, then thats it.
  4. OK, so you admit you are guilty. The issue is raised by the practices of RLP. So why dont you write to the store concerned (or their head office) and ask them for a breakdown of costs incurred by them during your time in their custody. That way at least you dont risk them taking you to court, nor do you 'line the coffers' of rlp. the store will make an approximation of what they actually lost in time and effort with dealing with you, and any other costs they actually incurred as a result of your wrongdoing.
  5. Swapping the tags is NOT an offence in itself. What about fraud by false representation then - fraud act 2006. (replaced theft by deception last year ....) As flyingdoc says - offence is complete. And if they are simply looking for an offence - then what about criminal damage to the price tickets. You know and I know a court will never run with something of such small value - but it gives a lawful power of arrest to the security officers.
  6. Liberty are one of, if not the largest printing companies in the uk of paerking charge bits. They produce a huge amount of the councils tickets, and at least 30 of the police forces tickets, producers, stop forms and anpr forms. Quite why they thought it would be a good idea to have a sideline as a ppc, I don't know ! Its like any other ppc, they supply the signs and tickets, as a landowner, you simply issue the tickets and send them. Off to liberty. They do the rest. They not only print the tickets, but they offer a furfillment service - printing councils nto's for them, and ma
  7. Another quick thought after re reading the thread: Knowing that most drill bits are sealed up these days - did you damage the packaging or security seals at all on any of the items ??? Very important question !! He might have enough to have you for criminal damage. Its been through the courts before, and won. I'm just trying to think like a guard in the poo pile, and how to get out of it !!. If there's no damage etc, then you seem to home and dry, and can watch them wriggle as you take them to court.
  8. Ok, how about we summerise it as this : Security have no more powers than you or me on the street. The only 'power' they could argue they have is to refuse the right of entry, or to eject a trespasser - only on land they are authorised to work on. Every uk citizen has a power of arrest over another. Be they security, gardener, shop staff, cook, or cleaner. They can only use this power of arrest for certain offences (defined as those that can be dealt with at crown court) - so, theft criminal damage, abh, gbh etc etc (to name but a common few). The arresting person can u
  9. Gyzmo - no problem with your moral stance, but simply that others might read your comments about 'no powers', go and nick something, and resist under the misaprehension that they 'can't be touched or arrested by security '. Some security will take the time to explin the errors of their judgement. Some will simply drag the person back into the store. I wouldn't want someone to read this forum, and end up getting injured because of it. To the OP - One other thing to think of - BandQ use civil recovery. The security will have already processed the forms, and you will get a letter seeking res
  10. It did make me chuckle all morning after reading it. Its almost like a child - you won't give me any money, so I won't let you park in any of my car parks. Funny thing is, one of my friends is the store manager of one of the shops in the retail park - I was visiting him !. He's got about 40 tickets so far, ignored every one, and nothings happened yet. He's waiting for them to clamp... Its one of those sneaky operations - write the ticket in the car, slap in on the screen, take photo, and then run back to car, and hide until next sucker comes along. Writing letters now, will
  11. Gyzmo - take a look at the law. Pace, and specifically socpa. Security have the power of arrest. Its is effectively a citizens arrest, but comes with the same powers of use of force etc. Don't start giving bad advice that someone could read and fight with shop security - and end up in court facing assault charges over. There is stated case law with regards to this - even if the detention turns out to be unlawful, as long as it was an honest felf belief by security at the time that the ocffence was complete, then any violence offered by the suspected shoplifter may still re
  12. Long story cut short .... New ppc round our area (portsmouth) seems to be taking over the world in last few months. Parked in a retail park in pompy, got anearly christmas present inviting me to pay 75 quid to them. As per usual, ignored the notice etc (I'm not that stupid to pay it !) They have got dvla details, and have written asking me to identify the driver (nice of them to try !) Ignored, and one I haven't seen before came through this morning : trespass notice. ' Further to our letter of blah blah, you, as the registed keeper of blah blah vehicle, are being notified
  13. Did he tell you at any time that you were under arrest ?. B and q don't have any 'in house ' security staff - they are all contracted in. there is a bad training course, and many many of the guards don't even know the caution, let alone how to justify using reasonable force in an arrest situation. Try to find out which company supplies this store. Was the person a uniformed guard, or a store detective ? Did they identify themselves to you at any point? If they did arrest you, then they are entitled to use reasonable force to detain you - section 3 criminal law act. Wha
  14. Are we really hurting the PPC's that much with 'don't pay' that they are having to branch into more 'creative' areas !!. Perhaps I need to go and put up some contractual signs on my car 'place any piece of paper to this car, and you are agreeing to pay £95 charge per piece of paper'. Anyone care to design some 'tickets' (sorry, I mean 'invoices') for me, or do I need to contact a PPC and ask them to do it ??!!
  15. And dpa only applies to businesses - not individuals, besides the points raised above. And isn't it only personal information that's covered - I would assume a car reg isn't personal info by itself ! I'm waiting for someone to bleat 'human rights' - which only applies to authorities or public bodies ...
  16. One of the sia offences is ' failure to display'. He should of had his badge on at all times, clearly visible. Its an offence not to. Although you got his number, and checked it out on the sia site, I'm not too far away from southampton, and know of at least 2 door supervisors that had their badges revoked for photocopying them and 'keeping the original safe'the sia REALLY don't like people copying the badges. Complain on both counts to the sia, and a letter to the clamping company for a start.
  17. Ha ha lamma - never thought of that !. But legally, can they do that ?
  18. Can't see any phone number on the posters. Jonchris - when you say illegal, do you mean any more than usual ?. I'm assuming the anti social driving clause is simply another term and condition of parking, and as the ppc's would say 'contractual agreement ' of parking / entering the car park. I can't see how its any more or less illegal than what they currently do !! Surely (in theory) they could say ' all drivers must wear red hatsn parking charge 90 for failing to do so' and then issue charges - I know they are uninforceable etc, but is there anything in law to restrict what conditions
  19. Its the standard parking charge '£75' for any 'offence' in the car park. The other sign is the usual 'contractual agreement'type, no disabled bay, park in marked bays, yada yada. The company themselves is called parktech - can't find any google stuff about them. Seems to of scarred off the boy racers though - ordinarily I will explain the legalities of a 'ticket' to people I see in a car park, and point them towards here. Might give this lot a miss though.!!
  20. A new 'local'ppc has sprung up on the south coast over the last year, and I have been watching as slowly the signs have spread around most of the private car parks. About a week ago, extra signage popped up in a local retail park - stating that ' anti social driving will result in the issue of a parking charge notice ' In smaller writing it explains that the site cctv will be used to record anti social driving, and the drivers face etc. Although its a good idea to solve the problem whilst keeping the retail park open to traffic - what else will they branch into ??
  21. Perhaps they have just picked up some cases to send to court to 'up their sucsess rate' they tell to their customers ... And have picked on the wrong person !
  22. Frazzledmum - they are trying to charge you a PENALTY. They can only charge you for the losses they have incurred. No charge for using the car park = no losses. £1 charge for parking = £1 loss. And Im sure it wouldnt cost you £40 to park there, now would it. Any 'video camera' evidence (called ANPR) relies on infra red cameras, which are zoomed in to catch the number plate area - so usually no driver shots. Some systems capture an 'overview' shot on a different camera - again, usually really bad quality. When you pull into a car park, how many signs do you take notice of - most peo
  23. Its also a breach of the peace - arrestable by anyone (and that means the employee who you have just been abusing can) I've held on BOP whilst awaiting for police when some numpty started being very vocal outside a school to a traffic warden. He got a PND as well.
  24. Thats probably the least 'misleading' PPC letter I have seen in a long time !!. Is this a change in some of the PPC's tactics ?, or are the larger ones actually listening to their legal departments. (I mean those PPC's tht aren't operating out of their kitchen or garage office). Still, uninforceable, but nice try to make it slightly less misleading !.
  25. As AL27 says really, can you wash and post up the ticket and the letters (if you got any). This will let us take a look, and see exactly how much of the word 'penalty' is used, and how much it is designed to look like a council ticket.
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