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    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
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Yorkshire bank and the Limitation Act - claiming beyond 6 yrs


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On the basis of the Whistleblower dislcsoures you may want to consider claiming beyond 6 years if your account has been open that long and you have received charges during the pre-6 year period.

 

This is because it seems clear from the BBC programme that the YB operate a highly structured system intended to audit the cost of handling a delinquent account and probably also in order to refine the process with a view to profit.

 

This would mean that the Yorkshire Bank is fully aware of the facts and very likely have been for some time.

 

We believe that the protection which they enjoy from the Limitation Act falls away in these circumstances.

 

Furthermore we believe that on the basis of the BBC disclosures any existing full and final settlement agreement is vitiated.

 

At the end of the day it is a matter for the court to decide or a matter for the YB to offer their simple explanation for what otherwise seems to be a very puzzling set of circumstances.

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Bankfodder, how do I tackle this when my claim has already been submited to the court? I do have further costs on one account going back another 6 years. Do I have to put in another claim? Also very interested in your comment on any full and final settlement agreement being vitiated. Should I be writing to the Yorkshire Bank following the BBCs revelations and if so, what do I say? I would really appreciate any advise you can give me.

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I'm trying to get more than 6 years statements from them, so far They have sent 6 years, so I sent them a letter as follows:

Dear sirs,

Thank you for your statements regarding my request under the data protection act.

It appears however that you have only supplied information from ............

You are reminded that under the Data Protection act 1998 that you are obliged to supply ALL requested data.

If it is the case that you no longer hold data pre 6 years can you please confirm this to me in writing.I will give you a further 14 days to reply to this request.

Failure to do so will result in a complaint to the ICO and the FOS.

I trust this clarifies the position.

 

Yours Faithfully

 

I sent this recorded on tuesday so will have to wait and see what happens

 

(this was done with the help of martin3030)

HFC go get them:-)

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Had they reached the 40 day limit by the time they responded to your 6 yrs statements?

 

If so then complain to the IC immediately. You should not hesitate to do this. The bank has a statutory duty and they have to be reminded of it by firm action.

You should also begin your claim immediately for the charges of which you are aware. You can go on to add the others once they finally comply with their statutory obligations. Whilst you are waiting for them to give you the rest of your statements you should include in your County Court claim, a claim in respect of their breach of their DPA obligations.

 

Don't forget that this is a bank which has made a practice of being hard-nosed with their innocent and vulnerable trusting customers. Now we have seen the BBC Whistleblower CYNthesys disclosures. The disclosures have been presented to MPs and journalists and have been described in the press and the banks has offered no comment.

This is the bank which has attempted to refuse to pay statutory interest to some its customers on the grounds that the customers have misused their accounts when in fact there is evidence to suggest a very different story.

This is the bank which when it finds itself under pressure to comply with its lawful obligations, instead of taking steps to deal with its business properly, come bleating to its customers asking for more time.

 

How the mighty fall - and there may be a long way to go yet.

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I received the statements after the 40 days for 2 accounts, but as yet have not received any for another account, the 40 days were up on the 31st march.

Should I now send a letter to complain to the IC if so is there a template letter I should use.

HFC go get them:-)

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I don't think we have an IC template but check with a mod.

I'm afraid that I have lost track of what we have and what we don't a long time ago.

It's not hard though.

Just say that on XXdateXX you made a request for disclosure (copy enclosed) under the DPA. Despite your reminders they have only made partial disclosure and have failed to respond to your further requests.

Please will he treat your letter as a formal complaint under the DPA.

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Alternatively there is an online complaint form on the ICO website. The website is a mine of helpful information and well worth a browse.

 

Data Protection Complaints – Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO)

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You should update on your own thread davisb so that people can follow where in the process you are :)

 

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@sajabu2003 I will update my thread,

This thread is a sticky

Yorkshire bank and the Limitation Act - claiming beyond 6 yrs

 

I wasn't going to use this thread about my claim, all I was asking was should I post what happens about getting the rest of my statements here. As I'm sure others would like to claim more than 6 years and it would be easier for people to find the information needed quicker than having to read evey thread in this forum

HFC go get them:-)

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I appreciate the point you are making davsib, but I'll just stick a link to your thread here and that way, your claim info is all together, and people reading this thread can easily read your progress and look at the limitations issue. I hope you agree that should work.:)

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/yorkshire-bank-clydesdale-bank/64242-davsib-yorkshire-bank.html

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I am not sure if I am posting in the correct place or if I should start a new thread.

I am currently claiming my last 6 years charges from yorkshire bank and after recent information I decided to start claiming back over 6 years so

I sent another S.A.R request and £10 to yorkshire bank requesting statements from 1992 -2001.

 

Today I have recieved a response saying that the DSA regulations are only in force for the last 6 years and copy statements pre 6 years are at a cost of £5 each. They say to send me the other 113 statements they need a cheque off me for £555

 

Is this right?

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It is absolutely incorrect. This link takes you to Section 7 of the Data Protection Act, so if you take a look you'll see that for yourself. There are no mentions of any time limits at all.

 

Data Protection Act 1998

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Do you think I should respond to this letter quoting the data protection act or just go straight to the information commisioner and make a complaint?

 

I sent the S.A.R request to leeds but this response has come from the branch manager at my local bank

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If the 40 days haven't expired you could write and point out their error and remind them how long they have to comply. You might also take a look at this very useful post and try a different approach, which may just get things moving if the 40 days have finished.

 

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/yorkshire-bank-clydesdale-bank/85275-yb-exceeding-40-days.html

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Hello All

Re claiming pre 6 years. I have claimed up to the 6 years on three accounts and received payment from them back in early 07. Now I am tempted to go back and start again pre 6 years. Is there a leter template for doing this. If not - can I claim when I have already received payment for previous claim. Any help please.

Thanks:confused:

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