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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
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    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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We've been through all the usual probate etc for my mum in law who died Feb 2018.

 

We've now received letters from the DWP saying my late mum in law may have been overpaid an income related benefit. They say according to their records and those of the probate there appears to be a discrepancy and want us to provide all her financial statements covering 2003 - 2013.

 

They've told us not to distribute any funds from her estate (which we had already as it all went to my husband, before we'd even heard from them). They've said they can work on the figures they have and calculate the possible overpayment but its best if we provide the information for them so they can make an accurate assessment.

 

I assume the cheapest option would be to approach the banks with SARs? However, before I do this, can I ask the DWP to provide all the information they have regarding her payments of benefit and her applications for benefit because, to be honest, neither myself nor my husband recall filling in any forms for her (and its something we would normally do as she's registered blind).

 

We do know she was getting a pension credit (savings based only) but we've no idea when it started or how she came to claim it - perhaps we've just forgotten as its so long ago. However, I don't want to just take their word for it so how best to approach this really, if anyone has any advice. I'm not trying to avoid any repayment (if one is due) but naturally I'd like to check for myself as well, if that makes sense. Any advice greatly appreciated.

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Well I would write back saying that unfortunately you [DWP] had ample opportunity to present yourselves as a creditor when you were informed of the death.

You have not done so in a timely manner and the estate has already been distributed by probate.

 

Where this lies within The law, well I'm not sure but it seems to me that they have had ample time but failed to act.

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A sar wouldn't reveal much HB, the DWP are asking for 10 years of bank statements to decide..

They have nothing, zip nada zilch so they are asking for statements.

 

My response to that would be apply to the courts for a court order.

Again where that lies in law I'm not sure but they seem to be fishing for evidence

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i'd still sar and call them out

its on their website and free anyway

cant hurt.

 

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A sar wouldn't reveal much HB, the DWP are asking for 10 years of bank statements to decide.. They have nothing, zip nada zilch so they are asking for statements.

My response to that would be apply to the courts for a court order.

Again where that lies in law I'm not sure but they seem to be fishing for evidence

 

Asking for 10 years of statements is a bit much tbf so.... that's up to you

 

 

If/when the DWP come at you with an over payment demand you'll have to do a SAR to the DWP and maybe even the bank - which I consider doing after the DWP sends theirs if you think there's anything amiss) anyway if/when you decide to challenge it. Which you should!

 

Doing it now 1 get's the 30+ days (well expect months and a few follow ups) wait over with and will also save you that time and waiting before you finalise the estate and can forget about it.

 

 

The DWP are on a very active trawl for old debt atm since they can claim it from Universal Credit. Historical debt recovery immediately and without so much as by your leave is an endemic scandal that's only just being recognised under UC. Add to that if you take out their loan (sorry advance) you're then faced with massive sums being culled from your UC payment.

 

One of the major issues with this historic debt is that they often ave zero proof of anything except a figure that the computer system doing the trawl coughed up. Seriously that's it!

 

It took quite a lot of shouting by certain forum members before the advice on theses boards changed from you must owe it so have to pay it to........ send a SAR see what comes back then either challenge or pay. The DWPs computer systems are old and creaky and often have incorrect data like crossed Ninos, claims not closed properly or final (or any) social fund payment etc not recorded as they were done manually.

 

So the fact they can now recover and are actively doing so with impunity due to legislation is wrong imho.

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I did find this on a google search tho.

 

 

 

If you have already paid the beneficiaries their entitlements from the estate and you receive a letter from the DWP about a potential claim you should contact the beneficiaries to explain that there could be money due to the DWP which will need to be repaid.

 

You should ask the beneficiaries to return the money they have received to you to hold pending the outcome of the DWP’s enquiries.

 

You must ensure that you act quickly. As executor you could ultimately be personally liable for the sum due.

 

If you are in any doubt you should seek specialist legal advice.

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6yrs but most hold more

but that's not the point.

 

you make DWP PROVE they have the data [not just a one line entry in some converted old systems database]

that this money is really owed.

 

 

as SP says , we've seen numerous times when they are put to this test they cannot actually prove it.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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They probably rely on fear the same as a bottom feeder DCA with an old unprovable debt.

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goto the dwp website

and fill in their sar [subject access request] there

 

get all the info first.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Well I sent SAR which dwp received 13th February.  Haven't received anything back yet.  We're supposed to send in the financial details by the 28th March (if we don't they'll calculate any overpayment on what info they already have).   Should I just sit and wait for their calculation or write to them beforehand saying we've asked for SAR and heard nothing so we take it there wasn't any overpayment after all. 

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You used the one on their website  link yes?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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No it wasn't suitable for a third party asking for a deceased person so I sent a letter clearly stating it was a SAR request and that they had 30 days etc. the only part I left off was that I would make a complaint.  I sent it trackable delivery and so I know they received it.   Does that really matter though, as long as they've received a request they should adhere to it surely

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Received the bundle from DWP today, its a minefield! I have her application which includes copies of her bank statements/savings etc at that time 2004.   I have also found a letter that says "sorry to  hear of the death of...... etc - our records show we owe her some money" goes on to ask who the money should be paid to and for their account number.    where do I start?! 

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At any entry referring to overpayments

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well if you cant find it..make them prove their 'assumption'

if they cant tough on them.

sadly we see this time and again with historic overpayment claims by the dwp.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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well if you cant find it..make them prove their 'assumption'

if they cant tough on them.

sadly we see this time and again with historic overpayment claims by the dwp.

 

 

Fully agree with this.

 

You need to write to the DWP department that believes that there is an overpayment, to insist that they provide proof of this debt and more importantly that DWP wrote advising of this debt at the time.

 

My understanding is that for any debt to be capable of enforcement, DWP must have proof that they issued a letter at the time that the overpayment was first calculated.  It does not mean that the debt does not exist, but that without having issued any letter, the DWP claimant would not have had the opportunity to ask for mandatory reconsideration of the matter and then if necessary appealed to Courts Tribunal.

 

I have seen examples of such debts being written off, if DWP have realised that they made an error in not writing at the time the overpayment was calculated. The reason being is that because no letter was issued which would have allowed the appeals process, it is a bit late in the day, to now be issuing the overpayment letter and allowing the appeals process now.

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