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I shall not mention who it is here at the moment just in case he would rather I didn't but I greatly appreciate the time he took working through that issue with me. I spent 20+ years of working in an industry that rules and regulations had to be strictly adhered to, indeed, exams had to be taken in order that one had to become qualified in those rules and regulations in order to carry out the duties of the post. In a way, such things as PoFA 2012 are rules and regulations that are not completely alien to me. It has been very enjoyable for me to learn these regulations and the law surrounding them. I wish I had found this forum years ago. I admit that perhaps I had been too keen to express my opinions given that I am still in the learning process. After a suitable period in this industry I became Qualified to teach the rules and regulations and I always said to those I taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question. 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I take the point that perhaps I should not post on other peoples threads and I shall refrain from doing so going forward. 🤐 As alluded to, circumstances can change, FTMDave made the following point that it had been boasted that no Caggers, over two years, who had sent a PPC the wrong registration snotty letter, had even been taken to court, let alone lost a court hearing .... but now they have. I too used the word "seemed" because it is true, we haven't had all the details. After perusing this forum I believe certain advice changed here after the Beavis case, I could be wrong but that is what I seem to remember reading. Could it be that after winning the above case in question, a claimant could refer back to this case and claim that a defendant had not made use of the appeal process, therefore allowing the claimant to win? 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This morning i was travelling from Kent into London - i have a monthly travelcard which allows me to do so, just not valid on the high speed into St Pancras. I was running late for work and missed my usual train and decided to jump on the high speed and hopefully see if my travelcard would get me through the barriers.

 

Obviously my ticket didn't allow me through, i panicked (as it was getting later and later) and decided just to tap through the barrier, at this point i was stopped by two undercover ticket inspectors. They looked at my card and realised it was not valid on High Speed and they went through the process of writing a statement and taking my details etc to pass onto the South eastern prosecution.

 

My question is:

 

As i had a semi valid ticket (just not on the HS1) will they take that into consideration? Or is non-valid seen as non valid.

 

I have just moved to Kent and in the first month of moving there i got two fines from Greenwich which i paid off - will these previous incidents be taken in consideration when they decide whether to prosecute or will it be a case by case basis?

 

I have written a letter and provided details of my travel card and apologised for my lack of judgement and offered my sincerest apologies. Should i wait in sending the letter until i receive the prosecution letter or shall i send it straight away now?

 

Any help would be really appreciated.

 

I feel so stupid as my entire purpose of getting this high speed was to make it into work on time the irony is i was an hour late and now got this looming over me!!

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Welcome to CAG - Arh the old HS1 Debacle...

Your ticket wouldnt have been valid anyway regardless if you had tapped out with Contactless. CP is only available from Stratford Int...

 

I used to work for Govia (SE's parent company) Social Media Team - Just from the amount of queries i can tell you this;

 

- Non Valid is Non Valid...

- If you have already had PFN - Then these maybe taken into consideration if a repeat offender...

- Wait for the letter from them and itll usually give options of a fine etc which you maybe able to pay... Wait for it...

 

It may be viewed as a genuine mistake on your part - and Govia MAY take that into consideration... But question is... What will you do going forward after this?

(Not judging you at all - Here to help :) )

 

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It may be viewed as a genuine mistake on your part - and Govia MAY take that into consideration... But question is... What will you do going forward after this?

 

Hi, thanks for your reply!

 

I mean, i don't ever take this route normally - i go into London Victoria every morning it was just on this occasion i decided i would risk it as i had missed my usual train in - They even asked if they checked CCTV cameras would they see me coming into Victoria and was asking me about my previous days travel, which i also found odd. The lady also threatened to take my travel card, which i also didn't understand. I was courteous and gave them all the relevant details etc.

 

I'll hold off sending my letter - do these people take into consideration the implications that a criminal record could have? For what i have done, admittedly stupid, it really isnt a calculated crime, and seems extreme just for not having a ticket with HS1 access.

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Thing is though, you didnt have a ticket that was valid... That a breach of the byelaws for the railway :)

Its not extreme - Just normal... But I will say this outloud... Govia do like to get a bit PFN Slappy Happy when they are having a bad day...

 

IS this the only time you have had an issues with HS1 travel - Or are you not telling us the whole truth? ^_^

 

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OP should have purchased a supplement ticket before board the train

 

 

https://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk/tickets/more-ways-to-travel/high-speed

 

No excuses....

 

 

 

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/not-valid-on-high-speed.173265/

Please use the quote system, So everyone will know what your referring too, thank you ...

 

 

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await the letter.!!

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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