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  1. #101

    Default Re: NPN PCN - overstay Un-adopted Rd entrance to old St Edmunds Hosp Northampton

    That is one reason why you need to establish who owns the road. In that plan there appear to be three separate sites - the building including Tesco, the road and site behind Tesco and the old hospital site. They could each have a different owner.


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    Default Re: NPN PCN - overstay Un-adopted Rd entrance to old St Edmunds Hosp Northampton

    I started by looking at planning applications and luckily before I purchased a land registry document I discovered the planning department were looking at the wrong address!!!!! Phoned them back and as this is complicated I have had to submit my request by email.


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    Default Re: NPN PCN - overstay Un-adopted Rd entrance to old St Edmunds Hosp Northampton

    no problem as the planning people are usually busy but helpful. As said, you can also try the Valuations Agency as it is a commercial premises. You might want to dob NPN in for running a car park without paying rates for doing so. Convoluted law but sometimes the landowner gets a kick in the backside for this.


  4. #104

    Default Re: NPN PCN - overstay Un-adopted Rd entrance to old St Edmunds Hosp Northampton

    i wonder if the PPC are paying any council tax etc for the income derived in that area?


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    no, hence dobbing them in to the VA. the council will get some money as well but they dont decide on whether the land attracts business rates, the VA does. Rare for a car park to be separate but I have forced the issue once in Selsdon wher Lidl demolished a pub and used the land as a car park without telling anyone so both they and PE got clobbered. PE subsequently wriggled out of it but Lidl then got a bigger bill anyway and thsi shows that in reality the parking co's ar actually servants of the landowner and have no locus oe agency to create contracts but that is ignoredicon Just read the opening paras of POFA and you will see that. basically big business has the clout and the law is to protect rich people from losing their money to poor people. Been that way since the 1600's and the defeat of the Diggers and Levellers movements


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    Default Re: NPN PCN - overstay Un-adopted Rd entrance to old St Edmunds Hosp Northampton

    I now have the correct planning application number and confirmed that the Tesco's landlord is the the same company, who own the whole site.

    Also seen the deeds to the land.

    Read the attached with interest.

    Have they broken their agreement for the planning consent by not painting double yellow lines before Tesco's etc moved in or because the road is un-adopted is that a get out for them?

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    Reading that article, it states that part of the road is adopted and it is requiring, unless agreed otherwise, that a Traffic Regulation Order be obtained for double yellow lines etc. It may also explain the boundary marking of the road in your earlier plans, from the main road just up to the island and the two short 'spurs' - it certainly looks adopted in your earlier pictures.


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    Default Re: NPN PCN - overstay Un-adopted Rd entrance to old St Edmunds Hosp Northampton

    We may have had some temporary success. The NPM Cowboys, their floodlighting and flash cameras were not present last night when it was dark so they maybe lying low at the moment unless they were all at a staff Bonfire Party that Mt Gearly was holding! I know who I would have liked to have seen as the guy on top of the bonfire Sorry if that last sentence is breaking group rules. i have continued to push Tesco's into taking action. They have tried to fob me off and pull the wool over my eyes, but they apologised in the end for doing so and have stated this will be passed onto the area manager.


  9. #109

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    so a question about which part will be the adoptable hightway when completed. The layout suggests all of the access road that is currently the part that is causing the problem. Now the next para that you can harly see in your post makes it clear as to where this does end and to my mind the actual tarmac already there is covered by this so probably adopted by the default position of planning being granted. appears as though 2 departmets at NDC arent singing from the same hymnsheet as they say in managementspeak.


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    Default Re: NPN PCN - overstay Un-adopted Rd entrance to old St Edmunds Hosp Northampton

    I didnt think it was a done deal that the road will be adopted at all. I would think like you that all of the part causibg issues will be adopted. Yes the tarmac and normal line marking are part of the problem. It looks like a finished adopted road and as there are no signs stating otherwise obviously shopper are none the wiser until that PCN drops through the letter box!


  11. #111

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    It wont be adopted until the store opens for business but you can stuill rely on Dawood v Camden and the overriding fact that there is no contract to breach. Do not forget this last point as it is the only sure fire winner, the rest rely onpeople being convinced that a contract is void because... rather than no contract to start with


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    Default Re: NPN PCN - overstay Un-adopted Rd entrance to old St Edmunds Hosp Northampton

    The Tesco Store has been open for over 4 years now

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    sorry, I thought this was a construction site.
    Anyways, who is the landowner as it isnt Tesco Knowing this may be helpful re contracts and planning for signs


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    Default Re: NPN PCN - overstay Un-adopted Rd entrance to old St Edmunds Hosp Northampton

    Unless there has been a Stopping order by the council, Market Street is an adopted road already, it was a through road from Wellingborough RDicon to Kettering Rd. The construction site access road is a seperate spur and will likely belong to the developer.

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    sorry, I thought this was a construction site.
    Anyways, who is the landowner as it isnt Tesco Knowing this may be helpful re contracts and planning for signs
    The document is a PDFicon from the Council website. The quality is poor. As they say you cannot polish the s word. Tesco property manager phoned me this afternoon. I am sending him all the complaint details and he is going to speak to the Landlord. If he gets a response it will be that the Parking Management Company is a member of the IPC and signs at the site approved by the IPC and Trading Standards. I have told him why to dismiss these statements.

    He confirmed who I know to be the Landlord and owner of the land.

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  17. #117

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    approved by TS? that is an out and out lie.
    So who is the landowner then? You want to know how to find alternative ways of fighting this so spill the beans.


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