Ive received a letter before action from Gladstones re an alleged parking violation on private land

there aren't any signs at the entrance barrier stating the land is private and subject to a fine for illegal parking.

Although there are some within the car park, these are placed in such a way that tree branches etc obscure them.

Is the alleged violation enforceable if there weren't any noticed placed at the barrier entrance to the car park?

Thank you.

Its not a fine and its not illegal

Nowhere do they use that word

Its a speculative invoice for entering into some mythical contract

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Ive received a letter before claim from Gladstones who are instructed to commence legal action for recovery of £160 which relates to a parking charge.

The land is a gym car park and whilst there are signs identifying CPM involvement,

these are hidden behind trees and there isn't any sign at the barrier entrance, as there are at other car parks in the area.

My question is,

given the lack of any signage at the barrier,

is the charge legally enforceable?

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Its not a penalty charge nor a fine nor is it an illegal charge

Its a civil unlawful speculative invoice

Go read post 2 above and complete the question s asked pasting it back here

Thank you, apologies I misunderstood...

Date of the infringement 18 June 2017

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 29 June 2017

3 Date received 30 June 2017

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] No

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? yes.

6 Have you appealed? {y/n?] post up your appeal] yes.

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up.

Declined by IAS- Im a member at the gym and produced a copy of my attendance log which showed me using the gym on the day of the incident. IAS decided that as there wasn't any time stated on the gym log, they found in favour of the car park company.

I cant post this as it was done online and the matter no longer appears on the IAS site.

7 Who is the parking company? CPM, UK Car Park Management.

8. Where exactly Village Hotel & Gym, Bournemouth.

As previously asked, if there isn't any signage at the car park entrance,

is this enforceable as ive looked at the guidelines online and they say a notice should be posted at the car park entrance.

Thanks

even before it so's you can make up your mind

anyway

you've shot yourself in the foot by appealing as you've Id'd yourself as the driver

never do that.

until or unless you receive a letter of claim

safe to keep ignoring.

have you still got the letter NTD/NTK with the 2 pix entry/exit on it?

The photo shows my vehicle parked in the car park, not entering or leaving.

The letter was also sent to my home address which the company obtained from dvla.

Again, I’m unsure how any charge / penalty can be enforced if there isn’t any signage at the entrance barrier to the car park.

well it cant but that makes no odds to ppc cowboys.

so its an attendants photo and you never had a PCN affixed to the windscreen?

what paperwork do you have on this, for example the original NTK?

I think it is strange they can get a letter out to you in the post after doing the necessary processing in a day.

You should ask the DVLA who has accessed your keeper details, when and why to help clear up this query.

parking companies tell all sorts of lies to try and make their claims legal when they are in fact not.

that is one of the reasons we say never appeal a ticket without knowing everything and that would include the full wording fo the signage and the NTK.

They havent used ANPR but some bod with a camera.

This is to circumnavigate the provisiosn of para 8 of the POFA and to try and force you to pay up a lot quicker.

Now, this has on one occasion so annoyed a judge the parking co had their claim dismissed because it was a hand held camera and not ANPR as they thought that the company should have issued a screen ticket even though the law is not explicit in this but hey, the parking co's need to use every trick in the book or they wont make a penny.

Now we need to see an image of the entrance to the land from the public highway and any signs ther and also the signs that are there elsewhere that thery say offer the contract to park.

Do this pronto as Gladstones like to throw their weight around and a sharp response may well dissuade them and their clients from taking action.

as for the IAS mealy mouthed rejection, that is what they are paid to do and the reason is utter cobblers as you are unlikeoy to go bakc several times and even if your did it still isnt likely to be a breach

well it cant but that makes no odds to ppc cowboys.

 

so its an attendants photo and you never had a PCN affixed to the windscreen?

yes, its an attendant's photo of front and back of my vehicle with nothing attached to the windscreen.

so action post 9