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    Default Euro Car Parks - Sainsbury's - Golders Green (ANPR)

    I got a NTK through the post today. Attached is the NTK and sat view of the layout. The entrance ANPR camera is before any car park signs, It does not say whether the driver was parked in the actual car park or on the forecourt.



    Street view shows the signs, I am unable to get a picture of the sign without a drive into London to get there. https://goo.gl/maps/yh1ehnDVUsR2


    For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture]

    please answer the following questions.

    1 Date of the infringement[s] 27/09/2018

    2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 08/10/2018

    3 Date received 10/10/2018

    4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] Yes

    5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Number plate only

    6 Have you appealed? {y/n?] post up your appeal]No


    7 Who is the parking company? Euro Car Parks

    8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Sainsbury's - Golders Green

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    Default Re: Euro Car Parks - Sainsbury's - Golders Green (ANPR)

    You say the invoice arrived today which
    Is the 11th October so the letter did not
    arrive within the correct time.
    You partly obscured the arrival times and
    we do not yet know the actual length of time allowed.
    Were you well over the a!lowed time or
    Just a matter of minutes?
    My first instinct would be to call Sainsbury's
    And explain why you overstayed (assuming
    You did)tell them how much you spent with them
    And the reason for the time spent and ask
    That as you are a regular and good customer
    Could they kindly cancel the ticket for you
    Especially as you received the ticket out of time
    Thus breaching the Data Protection Act.


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    Default Re: Euro Car Parks - Sainsbury's - Golders Green (ANPR)

    Apologies, I opened the letter today, but it came yesterday on 10th.

    Max time on the signage is 60 minutes (No return within 2 hours).

    I obscured the exact times as I wasn't sure how anonymous to make it. Total time was 3 hours 20 minutes.

    Driver shopped for lunch in Sainsbury's but also visited the local area. They don't think they have the receipt but apparently may still be in my car.

    Just to add, there are garages after the ANPR which appear to be public. I am unsure where the driver actually parked, but if they had parked in that area, then surely this is invalid?


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    Default Re: Euro Car Parks - Sainsbury's - Golders Green (ANPR)

    Do you know whose sign it is? Some of the parking cos make up artificial time limits.

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    Default Re: Euro Car Parks - Sainsbury's - Golders Green (ANPR)

    Quote Originally Posted by honeybee13 View Post
    Do you know whose sign it is? Some of the parking cos make up artificial time limits.

    HB
    Sorry not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm guessing Euro Car Parks owns the signs. They say "Working in partnership with Sainsbury's". https://goo.gl/maps/MptscCpybjw

    I have emailed Sainsbury's to find out who owns the land infront of the garages, as the driver may have parked here.


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    Default Re: Euro Car Parks - Sainsbury's - Golders Green (ANPR)

    Can you get down there and photograph the entrance from the public highway and then the sigange as you see it as you go in plus a close up of the sign and any that are different so they can be read easily. say approximately how big they are, how far off the ground and how bif the font size is.


    Now, if there is a good reason your car was there for a long time you should get on to Sainsburys HQ and moan at them to cancel it. Drinking gallons of coffee in their cafeteria would suffice but if you just parked there to go on a jolly in central London i wouldnt even start that conversation unless you cna prove you did some shopping atthere at the time.


    So, show us the siganeg and we can help you from there. Plenty of hurdles for them to jump yet before their charge is lawful.


    BTW a notice must be issued within 12 days of the day AFTER the event and then they have 2 days to serve siad notice so they are just in time

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    Default Re: Euro Car Parks - Sainsbury's - Golders Green (ANPR)

    I'll get some pictures when I can get there, it's only 16 miles away but is in London so would take me more than an hour. The signage is the same as what is on streetview if that helps? The images were taken recently. The public highway is a one way system where you can't avoid going through their ANPR, and it isn't obvious that it is a car park, no signs until after ANPR. There is what I believe to be public land after the ANPR in 2 places and cars often park there instead. I have emailed Sainsburys HO to confirm who the land belongs to.

    The driver did some shopping in Sainsburys at the time.


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    Default Re: Euro Car Parks - Sainsbury's - Golders Green (ANPR)

    Now there are a couple of Sauinsburys where this is a known problem, the one in Beddington, Croydon is a classic with a bus route going through the car park and a public access road to other buildings at one side that also gets snapped. there is another one where there is access to soem houses and agian PE send out demands and moan that they werent told you had visitors and it isnt fair that they have to cancel a ticket just because you have friends.


    thre are 2 Sainsburys in that area so which one is the subject? They ahvent specified so get pictures of the other one as well so you can use them as a big stick if it goes that far.
    Now for ANPR capture they MUST provide photographic evidence in the NTK and I cant see anything on yours that fulfils this requirement. It is not just about number plates it is evidence of the vehicle and thei toy cameras are around 5% wrong so they need to show more than a digitally altered picture of a small part fo a vehicle. Again, that is somehting to clobber them with but they wont be willing to accept this argument as they would have to do some work then and probably lose money.
    So, if you can nice pictures of the entrance from the public highway, evidence the camera is spying on the wrong place and pictures of the other sainsburys just down the road to cause confusion and show they have breached the POFA in their lazy NTK.


    In the meanwhile get on to Sainsburys Head ffice and tell them abotu this shoddy outfit and the capturing of images of vehicles on the public highway and using it to besmirch sainsburys good name etc and tell them that you expect them to tell the parking cowboys to cancel or you will not only defeat the claim formicon the parking co but drag Sainsburys name through the mud in socail media, local paper etc if they dont want to help



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