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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
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    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
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Hi All ,

 

I was a bit silly and took some low value items from 2 stores and M&S yesterday. I was stopped on high street and asked to return to M&S, where they made me sign a Notice of Civil Recovery and Trespass and told to buy the products or they'd call Police.

 

I wanted to know if M&S representation stated in the document as: Drydensfairfax, was one of these RLP companies ? Should I expect letters from? If so just ignore them?

 

As far as I'm concerned I paid them back for what i wrongly took, and they let me go. They said they would notify the other 2 companies that I'd taken from and confiscated these items [mainly food].

 

The net value - not including M&S's, that I'd paid £30 for - was approx £90.00 so about £120 in total. If they pass my details to other companies, is that a breach of Data Protection?

 

The security "ranger" didn't call the police, should I expect Police to get involved further?

 

I'm not going to do the above again! I'd never taken from these stores before and have no record.

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Hi and welcome to CAG.

 

 

Firstly, we (you) need to address the shoplifting. CAG does not, nor ever will condone shoplifting and you should try and find the reasons for your poor decision making.

 

 

Under the new GDP regulations, there is a get out by companies to pass on data for the prevention and detection of crime so I don't think any breach will help you.

 

 

As the police were not involved at the time, it's unlikely (but still possible) that the police will get involved.

 

 

Drydens are a debt collection company and as far as I am aware, do not do civil recovery. RLP are the main civil recover company. If you get a demand from anyone, let us know and we may be able to advise.

 

 

You are effectively banned from M&S so don't think about going there for a long time. 6 months to a year. By then they will have forgotten about you.

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ALso, ignore them. You dont owe a single penny because they forced you to purchase the items, therefore they havent lost anything.

 

Also, when they forced you to pay for the items, did they allow you to keep them, or did they take them from you? Because if they didnt let you keep them after purchasing them, then they would be guilty of theft.

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Bottom line IGNORE

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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ALso, ignore them. You dont owe a single penny because they forced you to purchase the items, therefore they havent lost anything.

 

Also, when they forced you to pay for the items, did they allow you to keep them, or did they take them from you? Because if they didnt let you keep them after purchasing them, then they would be guilty of theft.

 

Yea I got to keep the M&S bits. just wondering if there’s going to be a police action, guess this forums not really going to be able to advise on that though! Keep readin the police don’t investigate crimes of under £200 in value.

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Police would have been called on the day. Since you were made to pay for the items, they wouldnt have done anything anyway except tell you not to do it again.

 

And i dont know where you read about the £200 thing but its totally incorrect.

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Thanks. I was more worried about if the police would be called in to investigate the other 2 stores I'd been to earlier in the day. I didn't give the LP the names but it was pretty obvious where else I'd been. They kept the items as well .

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If you stole from 2 other stores that day, then you are extremely lucky that the police were not called.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

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The two other stores were my concern as well. None of us can know what will/will not happen. Chances are that they won't get involved. It just depends on the other stores policies. I'm afraid it's a case of wait and see.

 

What may happen is that M&S passed on your details to the other stores and those stores take civil action however this would be a bluff as they would need video evidence of you stealing.

 

see what the post brings in the next couple of weeks.

 

You need to sort out why you did this. Your GP has heard all the stories people have, more than once and may offer anti-depressants or counselling to help you understand why your actions happened.

 

This next bit is a bit of a lecture but it is relevant and not just aimed at you. It is aimed at first timers, not seasoned thieves.

 

Many shoplifters believe that shoplifting is a victimless crime. It's not!

 

If you throw a stone into water, you will see ripples. Transfer those ripples to people and you are the stone.

The stone affects the shoplifter first but then the ripple spreads out to include immediate family. They may not know what is going on but the will feel a change in you.

 

The next ripple is the extended family. What would the feel if they knew?

 

After that, the next ripple affects the community you live in. Imagine what they would do if the knew.

The next ripple and last one in this scenario is the affect it has on other shoppers. They pay extra at the tills to cover a stores 'losses' You have already paid many times over when doing normal shopping. If shoplifting stopped overnight, Prices should fall (but the stores may not do that as it's more profit to them)

 

Something to think about?

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I’ve been prescribed anti depressants already this year, but I decided not to continue with them... They could easily have video evidence in fairness. If they start civil action what would happen? What should I do?

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Doubt it

Never seen that happen TBH

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I’ve been prescribed anti depressants already this year, but I decided not to continue with them... They could easily have video evidence in fairness. If they start civil action what would happen? What should I do?

 

Thats your choice, but wouldnt go in your favour if you got caught. But its unlikely anythign will happen, and if RLP or similar get involved, you can come back or ignore.

 

But you really need to stop stealing. If your caught again, theres a very high risk of being arrested and getting a record that will follow you for the rest of your life.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

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They could easily have video evidence in fairness. If they start civil action what would happen? What should I do?

 

If they had video evidence, the other stores would have stopped you on leaving. CCTV is only as good as the operator and to be sure an 'offence' has been committed they would need continuous footage of you stealing.

 

They follow the SCONE method

 

S-selection

C-concealment

O-observation

N-non payment

E- Exit

 

If followed 100% then security have grounds to detain. If not followed then they would be on sticky ground.

 

I would be inclined to go back to your GP. Some anti depressants can make things worse which is why there are different anti depressants out there. A case of finding the right one to help you.

 

Don't even worry about civil action. That would be highly unusual. There has been no court action since 2012 (this includes one store that started and then abandoned a claim)

 

Letters received are not part of the civil procedures even though they may imply something different.

 

I think you should have a read of this:

 

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?448994-RLP-FAQ-s.-What-do-they-mean-Reviewed-September-2015&p=4762870&viewfull=1#post4762870

 

and this one

 

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?356933-Oxford-Retail-Loss-Prevention-A-Retailer-**-reveiwed-September-2015-**&p=3898857&viewfull=1#post3898857

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Civil action wont be possible because they made you buy the stuff and that is called restorative justice.

trespass is a non starter for them, you are invited into a store and remain there until they chuck you out.

Only then do you become a trespasser.

 

As for the other shops, only they can take action, no-one can do it on their behalf so the most that can happen in that regard is you get put on a watch list if your local retailers group/forum have one.

the police will then get passed your details as intel but they wont do anything as the evidential trail is well and truly broken.

 

You know the rest you learn your lesson and thank your lucky starts that this is the end of the matter, even if you do get letters from Drydens or anyone else, they have no interest in the matter.

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what security fees? there are none!!

 

its a myth that the 'security' staff were diverted from their normal role 'to deal with YOU'

that's what they are paid for anyway!! regardless of what their 'role' happens to be.

 

and anyway..DWF are nothing to do with them and dont pay them, nor get paid by them.

anything you pay will go directly into DWF's pocket to either fund staff holidays or tonights drinks at the pub or to fund harassment for mythical fees to other mugs they try and fleece.

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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DWF are a firm of solicitors who just happen to do the civil recovery thing. They have absolutely no power at all over you. As far as I am aware, DWF acting (as solicitors) for M&S have never taken a case to court and neither have I heard of any case from other solicitors doing the same.

 

 

So I agree with DX. Ignore. DWF send around three letters and then drop it.

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not only do you ignore it now you ignore any other letters you get of a similar nature.

 

they didnt take on an agency worker just to follow you around, their salary is what is called an establishment cost so they pay them regardless of what they do or dont do.

 

Nowt to do with DWF anyways, the truth is they are asking you to pay them for sending you a letter asking for the money.

 

Anyone can take this to its extreme so how about you pay me for sending you a letter but enclose a demand for responding to it.  We would both owe each other money then

 

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Update had several letters from DWF looking for £85. Some of threats include : notifying my employed and requesting payment directs from my salary [ without mentioning employers name]. Sending Bailiffs. Court action. Increase in sum.

 

Not replying to any of this nonsense. Is it likely they’ll sell the “debt” to a debt factor agency... any suggestions...

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