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    Default Park Watch no waiting PCN - Ruby central shopping Center

    Hi there, it's been a while

    I received a shiny PCN in the post today for NO WAITING after I pulled up at the side of a bank doing a favour for someone.

    I'm a blue badge holder and didn't get out of the car any help would be gratefully received

    For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture]

    please answer the following questions.

    1 Date of the infringement[s] 24th August 2018

    2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 05th September 2018

    3 Date received 06th September 2018
    4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [yes]

    5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? yes

    6 Have you appealed? {y/n?] post up your appeal] Waiting for advice from here
    Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up

    7 Who is the parking company? Park Watch

    8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Rugby Central Shopping Centre, Service area 3, Rugby

    For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. BPA

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    thread tidied

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    ok well there is no such thing as no waiting on private land
    as you have to 'wait' to read their signs that say 'no waiting'

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    As the idiots have to give you a 10 minute grace period and also a sign saying no waiting or similar is not a contract to park they dont have a leg to stand on. However, being both stupid and greedy they will still try and chisel you for the money.

    If you want to waste 25 of their money you can appeal to them and when they turn you down to POPLAicon (that costs them).
    The simplest appeal will be that there was no contract offered as there was no such clause as NO WAITING on their signage,
    that the phrase is prohibitive and not a genuine offer of terms to park
    and in any case they have failed to allow a 10 minute grace period as demansded by the BPA Code of Practice.

    All of the above points will beat a court claim and you can sue them for breach of the GDPRicon for ontaining and processing your personal dataicon unlawfully but none of that will matter to POPLA as they have very limited terms of reference.

    However, you can show that you have been through the motions and that the parking co have been made aware that their claim has no merit.

    Normally I wouldnt bother with an appeal but in this case the adjudicator has straightforward matters to consider
    - wording on signage and grace period.

    If they reject your appeal then it will show they break their own rules

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    Default Re: Park Watch no waiting PCN - Ruby central shopping Center

    I went today and took photos of the signs


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    are they the ONLY signs?

    is there mention of no waiting or 10 mins grace period
    are they the ONLY signs?

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    Default Re: Park Watch no waiting PCN - Ruby central shopping Center

    it States No waiting at any time but there is no mention of a 10 minute grace period


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    Default Re: Park Watch no waiting PCN - Ruby central shopping Center

    You issued me with a parking ticket on 5th September 2018 but I believe it was illegally issued. I will not be paying your demand for payment for the following reasons:




    • There was insufficient signage
    The car park in question has no clear signage to explain what the relevant parking restrictions are. This means no contract can be formed with the landowner and all tickets are issued illegally. Please see attached evidence, no contract offered as there was no such clause as NO WAITING on their signage,
    that the phrase is prohibitive and not a genuine offer of terms to park, I have gathered as proof.

    • Mitigating circumstances
    There are mitigating circumstances to explain why the vehicle was parked where it was and the charge should be waived for this reason. Please see attached evidence, I am a blue badge holder due to mobility issues, as proof of claim.

    • The charge is disproportionate and not commercially justifiable
    The amount you have charged is not based upon any commercially justifiable loss to your company or the landowner.

    In my case, the 100 charge you are asking for far exceeds the cost to the landowner of the short period I was there. I therefore feel the charge you have asked for is excessive.


    If you choose to pursue me please be aware that I will not enter into any correspondence and this will be the only letter you will receive from me until you answer the specific points raised in my letter.

    Yours faithfully,


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    not illegal unlawful
    but that's not the point don't say anything


    simply refer to the blue bit in post 4

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    Default Re: Park Watch no waiting PCN - Ruby central shopping Center

    You issued me with a parking ticket on 5th September 2018 but I believe it was unlawfully issued. I will not be paying your demand for payment for the following reasons:




    • There was insufficient signage
    The car park in question has no clear signage to explain what the relevant parking restrictions are. This means no contract can be formed with the landowner and all tickets are issued unlawfully. No contract offered as there was no such clause as NO WAITING on their signage, that the phrase is prohibitive and not a genuine offer of terms to park.

    • Mitigating circumstances
    There are mitigating circumstances to explain why the vehicle was parked where it was and the charge should be waived for this reason. Please see attached evidence, I am a blue badge holder due to mobility issues, as proof of claim.

    • The charge is disproportionate and not commercially justifiable
    The amount you have charged is not based upon any commercially justifiable loss to your company or the landowner.

    In my case, the 100 charge you are asking for far exceeds the cost to the landowner of the short period I was there. I therefore feel the charge you have asked for is excessive.



    If you choose to pursue me please be aware that I will not enter into any correspondence and this will be the only letter you will receive from me until you answer the specific points raised in my letter.



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    the blue bit in post 4 says nothing? about using the points in blue above?

    the 1st bit well there is mention of no waiting.....

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    Default Re: Park Watch no waiting PCN - Ruby central shopping Center

    I'm at a loss, it does state that is no waiting on the signs so should I appeal or just pay the 60?

    I am also on benefits and it is a huge chunk out of my fortnightly payments.

    Thank you for your advice so far


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    no you don't need to pay it but you need to do a bit of self help
    cant see you've read one other PPC thread at all???

    there is a 10 mins grace period..

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    right, the first sign is a prohibition so not a contract
    , the second sign is not a contract but an invitation to treat so cant be binding and anyway carries no offer of terms so how can you accept them?

    there is no illegality involved by either side in this matter, it is civil law, not criminal law.

    No one gives a stuff as to why your car was where it was, it is completely irrelevant.

    There is no such thing as mitigation in contract law so forget about it, you will get no sympathy and you will never win an appeal or a court case if that is what you think will help.

    Now, read and understand a load of other posts, you have more than enough to destroy any legal claim these idiots may make.

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    These clowns would ticket a DPD/Yodel/Parcelforce/UPS van delivering at the location, no waiting is a prohibition, so as EB says no contract can be formed, as it is Private Land, there can be no criminal element.

    The bailiff: A 12th Century solution re-branded as Enforcement Agents for the 21st Century to seize and sell debtors goods as before Oh so Dickensian!
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    Default Re: Park Watch no waiting PCN - Ruby central shopping Center

    You issued me with a parking ticket on 5th September 2018 but I believe it was unlawfully issued. I will not be paying your demand for payment for the following reason:


    The signs are a prohibition so not a contract, as it is private land there can be no criminal element.


    If you choose to pursue me please be aware that I will not enter into any correspondence and this will be the only letter you will receive from me until you answer the specific points raised in my letter.

    Yours faithfully,


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    No, dont send that, it will only cause them to know they are pursuing the right person for starters. At present they dont have a clue who was driving so why are you telling them it was you?

    It was suggested that you read a bundle of other threads and this is evidence you havent. If you want to write something you need to be more strident so I suggest something like:

    Dear sirs,
    with regard to your claim that a contract was breached I suggest that you find someone who understands english as well as the law to explain to you why there can be no breach of a contract when a contract doesnt exist.
    No waiting is a prohibiton, not an offer to park.

    Consider yourself lucky I have no desire to sue you for breach of the GDPRicon over this matter but stop wasting my time with your begging letters, you arent getting any money because none is due so you will just have to resit your GCSE's and try it on with someone else.

    You dont invite then to pursue you or even request further correspondence as they see that as a sign you will pay up if they apply a thick enough layer of bull****.


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    thank you,
    I did read quite a few posts but could not find one that was relevant to the information that I required.

    I appreciate the times that you have taken to reply.
    Appeal sent

    Thank you for your email.
    I can confirm that your appeal has been received and you will receive a response within 35 days.

    Please provide any evidence you have to support your appeal, such as a valid disabled badge, evidence of purchases and proof of delivery.

    Please note, you must include your parking chargeicon notice reference number and vehicle registration mark in order for us to process your appeal.

    Your PCN, and the associated charges will be placed on hold until a decision has been made and communicated to you.

    *Important information*;

    We endeavour to review and respond to appeals within 10 days.
    Your appeal response will not be sent from this mailbox, it is the appellant's responsibility to ensure their mailbox/junk box is checked daily to ensure you have the opportunity to pay at the reduced rate within 14 days if your appeal is rejected. After 14 days the charge will revert back to the original amount.

    Please note; POPLAicon verification codes are live for 28 days only.

    Kind Regards,

    Park Watch


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    Default Re: Park Watch no waiting PCN - Ruby central shopping Center

    There are dozens that talk about signage that is prohibitive in nature, looking for one from your site mentioning no waiting isnt necessary as it is the applicable law that counts and there are plenty to choose from.

    so now you have given them your email address so they can pass it on and get other rentathreats to harass you for free.

    If you had read more threads you would have seen that we advise to use old fashioned letters so the parking co's are put to the maximum inconvenience and expense in chasing you.

    A common theme for any alleged debt that is disputed is to NEVER phone them, text them or email them as these methods allow them access to you at no expense.

    they are also noted fro breaching the data protection laws so expect a load of spam from claims co's and whatever as they sell on lists of contacts to supplement their income and you then get claims management companies on the phone as well as people from the Phillipines working for "Microsoft" telling you by name that your computer is compromised etc.

    None of this will make any difference to the outcome though, they will still tell you to pay up because they say so and they are still wrong in law


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